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Vignettes. Vignettes. I was about to say vinaigrettes and then I was like no that is completely incorrect.
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They're little vinaigrettes. Little balsamics. Little vinaigrettes.
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In this episode, Little Boba
Fett seeks revenge, R2
-D2 saves his friends, and Kal Dooku
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Hello and welcome to Podcast number 36 of the 11 Parsecs Podcast. My name is Eric. I'm here with my good buddy Jon.
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Hello. And today we are going to be talking about two more episodes of season 2 of The Clone Wars
, episodes 20 and 21.
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What beer are you drinking tonight? I have something super tasty tonight. I have been looking forward to this for so long.
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You know this beer. This is Terrapin
's Imperial Hopsicutioner. Oh yes. Oh yes. The silvery package.
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This is special. This is really something special. This beer is amazing.
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out of Athens, Georgia. So still drink it local? Yes. Yes, it's still local.
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And you know it's funny because I don't think this has been out that long. It's only been out for a couple of weeks, hasn't it?
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It's brand new to me. When I first saw it. I've had this can for a little bit. This is the last survivor of the pack.
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You're a better man than I. Well I had to save her for the pod.
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Our listeners deserve to hear me drinking a special beer. I always have good intentions. It just never seems to last.
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So tonight I am drinking an Oasis by our good friends at Treasury Brew. Right up the road.
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This is an Imperial Stout, a German chocolate cake style beer. I don't know how this one is going to go.
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I'm usually not a fan of big rich chocolatey beers. You know what I mean?
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I'm kind of wishing that I would be holding a silvery Propsecutioner also.
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But I'm not and I need to go find that again because actually I was at the grocery store and you had mentioned it the other day.
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I was at the grocery store and I did not see it again. So I'm hoping that it isn't just like a fly by night thing.
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You are in charge of your Destiny. I know. I have to drive out to Athens to see.
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Just question everybody there at the brewery. Walk around with a microphone. Do you like Star Wars? No.
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All right. Let's break these bad boys open. All right. Three, two, one.
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Grab a glass. Grab a glass. Grab a glass. I didn't spill it all over myself this time. I didn't fling the can around.
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Don't speak too soon. Yeah. It would be funny if I completely dropped the whole glass.
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It's just like milk chocolatey German cake all over.
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I've had chocolate before but not necessarily a German chocolate. Yeah. Chocolate stout. Absolutely.
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Let's see if it's got any details on here. I don't think it does. I think it just... Does that mean it has coconut and stuff?
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Rich notes of chocolate icing and coconut blast. I don't know about that.
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Yeah. I'm wondering here. Let's do this. I'm debating if I may have chosen wrong.
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Not that this beer or this company does anything wrong but it just may not be my thing. All right. You ready?
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Three, two, one. Drink. Oh, you're already drinking. You didn't even wait for me. I see.
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I thought you were going to do a countdown. God, that's good.
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Definitely a very rich beer on my end. Wow.
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That's going to be a small sipper. That's like, wow. Not bad. Not my thing. Not bad.
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Not your thing because it's the German chocolate? Yeah. It's just a really, really rich beer.
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I don't know. I can drink it as like... I can drink other heavier beers.
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It's just that this one's like very, very flavorful. And if you're into that kind of stuff, it's probably perfect for you.
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If you like this beer, buddy, you're going to like this beer.
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But if you like this beer, you're going to drink the whole thing. What's the percent? 10.1.
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OK. All right. I'm right there at 9.8. Yeah. But these beers are on up there.
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And that's going to be our game lately. I think slowly moving up the percentage charts as we've continued this podcast.
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For those of you real quick that don't know this podcast and just maybe listening for the first time,
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basically we're going through all of Star Wars from a certain date about two years ago.
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All the canon that was already released. We're going through it in BBY
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And tonight we are at season two of The Clone Wars
. We're almost done. I looked at it today.
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We are only actually one episode away from completing season two, which is kind of cool. Season two. Yeah. Season two.
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I take your milestones where you can. Sure. But yeah. My God. Yeah. It'll be nice to at least go to like the next line on Disney+ Plus where it's season three.
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But it's a little bit progress. Tonight we're going to record. We're going to be recording.
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We're going to be talking about episodes twenty four and five.
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In 21, Death Trap and R2
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Let's start off with the old Death Trap, Jon.
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So a neat concept.
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Now, here's the question. Here's the question.
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have we seen Boba
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My memory's terrible, so I don't trust it.
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Yeah. I believe sometime in season one.
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He was just a kid and it wasn't anything.
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Where did we see? No, no. It was a comic, wasn't it?
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I remember the comic. That's why I'm asking the question.
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Because I remember the comic.
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You're completely right.
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And the comic is how I knew who this was immediately.
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Yeah. And also the people that he's,
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and all the other bounty hunters that he's with.
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Well, no, I mean right up front when he's just part
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of the clone field trip, whatever that was.
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You know, you have all the clones and then him.
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I did not catch that at first.
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His hair kind of set him apart.
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It does. If they had shaved his head
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like all the other troopers, no, of course not,
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because he's just a clone.
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But the fact that he looked exactly like Boba
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from the comics, I knew who it was.
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Yeah. No, you're right.
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I remember I realized it a little bit into that episode,
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what we were dealing with, but when he became standoffish
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and the other kids were kind of poking fun at him.
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But yeah, it took me a second. I didn't realize it initially.
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Which I think is how it was meant to play, right?
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It was meant to play like that.
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And the fact that we have prior knowledge of the comic
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and we know what.
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Here's Rogue Three for a little loop.
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I bet that comic was actually made after this.
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It may be. That's my point.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's actually my point.
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Oh, okay. I got you.
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You're saying that we had an advantage had we not watched it.
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Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah.
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It did not dull my surprise just because I didn't get it.
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It did dull your surprise a little bit or did you?
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No, no, no. It was fine.
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It did not dull the, no, it didn't dull the edge.
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I thought it was still good.
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You're still thinking, is that Boba
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Oh, it's Boba
. I mean, it's still there.
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So the revelation is still good.
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To the point where when he first saw Mace
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and then Anakin
came up and he makes this like,
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oh, I hate you face.
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I wasn't really sure it was Boba
at that point.
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And so I was wondering, why is he not like the Jedi?
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Well, okay. We know now, but it was good.
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Yeah. A little journey there.
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Yeah. The episode, I thought him blending in
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was pretty cool with the rest of the clones.
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It's a great concept. It is. It is.
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It's a great concept. Yeah. That was really good.
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And then also too, the fact that they're asking him
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all these questions and he's like, oh no,
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I was in another, you know, in the North Rim or something.
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Like he says something to where I was thinking
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that you guys wouldn't know me
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just because I was somewhere else.
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And he's gotta kind of prove that out a little bit.
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And I enjoyed the gunning scene too,
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where they're all practicing the targets.
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And again, at that point I knew it was Boba
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So I know what's gonna happen.
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He's gonna, you know, blow it out of the water,
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I guess the thing.
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But anyway, it shows that he's,
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there's more to him than you think, right?
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And also too, I thought that it was kind of cool
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that the captain and then the gunner
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were just kind of both amazed too.
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Like you could tell it was like,
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it was supposed to be, you know,
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you knew it was gonna be astonishment,
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but they were just like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
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what is going on here?
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Like this kid is like the real deal.
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We need to keep an eye on him.
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Right. Yeah. It was good.
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It was a good episode overall.
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Quick summary, it's just a young boy
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who left him orphaned, bitter and alone.
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Of course, we're talking about Boba
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who makes Windu
chop his dad's head off
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and it rolled in a helmet that we'll see later.
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And yeah, I thought it was good.
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I thought that the Mace
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almost walking into the laser was kind of cool.
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And how he got, you know, kind of backtracked
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and the other guy walked into it and got blown apart.
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Oh, I felt bad.
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I mean, it's like,
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just all you do is walk away and say,
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here, put this in my quarters.
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Oh man, now you gotta kill the guy.
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Well, also too, the,
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so I guess, you know,
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Jedi aren't infallible by any means,
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but like, I kind of felt like
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he would have like detected something.
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I don't know.
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It was just kind of a weird,
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cause he, cause remember- I wondered that.
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He walks by the kid, he walks by Boba
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something's not right here?
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I thought it was just, you know, force sensitive to force.
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Yeah. Yeah. And that's true.
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's not, they wouldn't know him
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from any other clone, like from a force perspective.
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That's a good point.
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That's actually a really good point.
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I like that.
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That he's just another, to them,
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he's just another clone because he's only,
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he's only a son to Jango
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So yeah. Okay.
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That's a good point.
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What other aspects of the show did you like?
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The one part I really despised was
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they're in the escape pod.
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And first of all,
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all you have to do is hit a button to like disable the thing.
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That's, that's just bad design.
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But the button he hits pops open like the,
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the weather veins, the atmosphere veins,
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and the pod starts, you know, yawing back and forth.
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You're in space, dude.
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Okay. There's nothing for the veins to catch on,
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but they can bounce back.
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It was portrayed as in atmosphere and they weren't.
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They were out in space.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
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And also, too, it was, yeah, like,
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how does he know exactly what to pop open to just to stop or not stop?
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I guess I shouldn't say stop.
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And he not stops and he lets it keep going.
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And that's how they end up kind of out in the out near the Slave One
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I didn't like the whole like where he's like, I couldn't get a drift
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where he's like, I'm sorry, guys, like when he ever he leaves them there.
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I'm like, you hated these kids like 20 minutes ago.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, like I wonder where that was going.
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Are you are they trying to start the character arc with him?
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I didn't buy it.
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Yeah, I agree with you.
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It was a little it would have been better
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if he had basically just screwed you kids, you know, I'm not here.
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Yeah, no, totally. Yeah, I mean, the Boba
Fett that we've seen thus far,
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especially the one from the comic, too.
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I'm surprised he didn't just unload on him and shoot him
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and then be like, OK, I'm here. You know what I mean?
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Like that little kid in Enslave one when they were chasing Obi-Wan, right?
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And oh, yeah, Clone Wars
, he was like, hey, hang on, son.
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We'll move into the asteroid field
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and we'll have a couple of surprises for you.
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I mean, it was he should have been much more cold blooded.
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Yeah, and that was that was really with me.
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And I think you're probably right that they are trying to start
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a little bit of an arc with him there, because, well, I don't know.
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Let's talk. Let's talk about the next episode, though.
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Yeah, well, let's talk about the next episode, though,
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because I didn't really see that in the next episode.
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So the next episode, not at all.
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Yeah, it was R2
come home, I think is what it was called.
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And basically the captain of the ship.
[ 00:12:07:00 ] - [ 00:12:10:00 ]
OK, so first off in the first episode, episode 20 that we're reviewing tonight,
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the ship goes down. He succeeds in destroying the ship.
[ 00:12:14:00 ] - [ 00:12:17:00 ]
So if there's anything to say, Boba
Fett at age whatever he is,
[ 00:12:17:00 ] - [ 00:12:20:00 ]
nine or ten in this thing, literally took down a destroyer,
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like a destroyer, but a destroyer class starship for the clone troopers.
[ 00:12:26:00 ] - [ 00:12:28:00 ]
So I mean, it's there's a little bit of a win either way,
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even if he doesn't get his guy, Mace
[ 00:12:30:00 ] - [ 00:12:34:00 ]
But basically the ship comes down in the end of the episode.
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And then we start episode 21, which is R2
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And he the ship has crashed.
[ 00:12:40:00 ] - [ 00:12:44:00 ]
Massive, massive crash. Huge ship on on the planet.
[ 00:12:44:00 ] - [ 00:12:46:00 ]
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decide to go down and make sure that the captain made it down
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because the captain was like, I'm not getting off the ship.
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So him and a couple of other navigation people, I think is what they call him.
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And then another leadership person are supposedly still in the bridge.
[ 00:13:00:00 ] - [ 00:13:02:00 ]
[ 00:13:02:00 ] - [ 00:13:04:00 ]
And they end up finding out that they've all been shot.
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That's that's well, the troopers have been shot.
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Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, take that back.
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The leadership has not been shot.
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Just the troopers have been shot and they can't find the leadership.
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Right. Within all this, Mace
's helmet sitting there,
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which I don't understand how it's perfectly positioned after a huge crash,
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sitting there on top of a table.
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And then, well, actually, I take that back because I guess that the bounty
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hunters were already on the planet waiting for the ship
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or had already been there to the ship before.
[ 00:13:32:00 ] - [ 00:13:33:00 ]
So that's why they said it there.
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And they pick up Jango
's helmet and it blows up.
[ 00:13:35:00 ] - [ 00:13:39:00 ]
And the very last minute, Anakin
is holding the helmet.
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grabs him, throws him down.
[ 00:13:41:00 ] - [ 00:13:43:00 ]
They end up going down this like couple of flights of stairs,
[ 00:13:43:00 ] - [ 00:13:45:00 ]
or a couple of flights of stairs, couple of flights of flooring
[ 00:13:45:00 ] - [ 00:13:49:00 ]
and have this huge trash pile pretty much pile up on top of them
[ 00:13:49:00 ] - [ 00:13:50:00 ]
and they can't escape.
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has to go help them out. That's the premise of the episode. Right.
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And I love the parts with R2
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the ship's all wrecked.
[ 00:14:00:00 ] - [ 00:14:03:00 ]
And so he does a good job of trying to block the guy,
[ 00:14:03:00 ] - [ 00:14:06:00 ]
the bounty hunters from getting to Mace
[ 00:14:07:00 ] - [ 00:14:09:00 ]
And so they're bad guys are climbing up this like, you know,
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elevator shaft or something.
[ 00:14:11:00 ] - [ 00:14:15:00 ]
And it shows R2
kind of pushing a bunch of boxes over to the open
[ 00:14:16:00 ] - [ 00:14:18:00 ]
door to the shaft and pushing the boxes into the shaft to try and,
[ 00:14:18:00 ] - [ 00:14:20:00 ]
you know, hit those guys and kill them.
[ 00:14:20:00 ] - [ 00:14:22:00 ]
And it was just that that was that was hilarious.
[ 00:14:22:00 ] - [ 00:14:25:00 ]
And then when the the you called him a Gundark
[ 00:14:25:00 ] - [ 00:14:26:00 ]
It was Gundark
. I should have known that.
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Yeah. Yeah. I just, you know, like the one from the cave, like a couple of Dooku
[ 00:14:30:00 ] - [ 00:14:33:00 ]
Yeah. When he when when he's trying to kill R2
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because one of them had already killed Mace
[ 00:14:37:00 ] - [ 00:14:38:00 ]
We need to talk about that, by the way.
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What is Mace
's problem with droids?
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What is Mace
's problem overall in this entire episode?
[ 00:14:43:00 ] - [ 00:14:45:00 ]
So like like he was just like, like I have in my notes,
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is just kind of a dick in this episode.
[ 00:14:47:00 ] - [ 00:14:50:00 ]
Like he's not he like even Anakin
. He's not like.
[ 00:14:50:00 ] - [ 00:14:53:00 ]
Yeah, it's it's very different than the Mace
that we saw
[ 00:14:53:00 ] - [ 00:14:56:00 ]
the last episode where he's kind of like almost ready to teach the kids.
[ 00:14:56:00 ] - [ 00:14:57:00 ]
You know, he's like, welcome to ship.
[ 00:14:57:00 ] - [ 00:14:58:00 ]
We'll figure, you know, what you need to do,
[ 00:14:58:00 ] - [ 00:15:00:00 ]
how well you guys can help us with, et cetera, et cetera.
[ 00:15:00:00 ] - [ 00:15:02:00 ]
And then this Mace
is just like, I guess he's just mad
[ 00:15:02:00 ] - [ 00:15:05:00 ]
that the ship crashed or that the ship's gone
[ 00:15:05:00 ] - [ 00:15:06:00 ]
and they've lost all this stuff on their watch.
[ 00:15:06:00 ] - [ 00:15:09:00 ]
But yeah, he was just really like something.
[ 00:15:09:00 ] - [ 00:15:12:00 ]
There's something there about I don't know, like like hate leads to anger,
[ 00:15:12:00 ] - [ 00:15:16:00 ]
leads to fear, leads to like, come on, Mace
[ 00:15:16:00 ] - [ 00:15:18:00 ]
Like and he's and he's grumpy at his droid.
[ 00:15:18:00 ] - [ 00:15:20:00 ]
[ 00:15:21:00 ] - [ 00:15:24:00 ]
And then so my other note that I have was, A, the Gundarks
[ 00:15:24:00 ] - [ 00:15:26:00 ]
that I really enjoyed seeing the big ships crash.
[ 00:15:26:00 ] - [ 00:15:28:00 ]
Like I enjoyed that aspect that they do in Star Wars all the time,
[ 00:15:28:00 ] - [ 00:15:30:00 ]
where they have these massive ships that just crash on a plane
[ 00:15:30:00 ] - [ 00:15:33:00 ]
and you see like these panoramas of the whole like
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like massive, like couple mile wide scene.
[ 00:15:35:00 ] - [ 00:15:36:00 ]
You see the ship crash.
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But also, too, I said that this episode should just be a little bit more.
[ 00:15:49:00 ] - [ 00:15:51:00 ]
been called R2
just throwing s***.
[ 00:15:51:00 ] - [ 00:15:54:00 ]
Because like probably about 10 to 15 minutes of this episode
[ 00:15:54:00 ] - [ 00:15:56:00 ]
was him just throwing stuff down a pipe
[ 00:15:56:00 ] - [ 00:15:57:00 ]
that people were trying to climb up.
[ 00:15:57:00 ] - [ 00:16:00:00 ]
Well that and then and then when the when the kitty attacks
[ 00:16:00:00 ] - [ 00:16:04:00 ]
and he puts the suction cup cord thing on.
[ 00:16:04:00 ] - [ 00:16:06:00 ]
Yeah. Yeah. On him on the kitty
[ 00:16:06:00 ] - [ 00:16:09:00 ]
and then puts the other end on the fighter
[ 00:16:09:00 ] - [ 00:16:12:00 ]
and launches the fighter you know like just way off that way
[ 00:16:12:00 ] - [ 00:16:13:00 ]
and it makes the yoink sound.
[ 00:16:13:00 ] - [ 00:16:16:00 ]
Yeah. That was that was I'm sorry that was hilarious.
[ 00:16:16:00 ] - [ 00:16:17:00 ]
That was cheesy. It was hilarious.
[ 00:16:17:00 ] - [ 00:16:19:00 ]
It was it was good. I enjoyed that part of it
[ 00:16:19:00 ] - [ 00:16:23:00 ]
and I actually also enjoyed the fact that R2
is you know
[ 00:16:23:00 ] - [ 00:16:27:00 ]
he's piloting this craft to try to lose Slave One
[ 00:16:27:00 ] - [ 00:16:30:00 ]
and he just ends up going to warp and he just flies out.
[ 00:16:30:00 ] - [ 00:16:31:00 ]
He's just like all right guys gotta go.
[ 00:16:31:00 ] - [ 00:16:34:00 ]
And you know he ends up going back to Coruscant
[ 00:16:34:00 ] - [ 00:16:36:00 ]
and alerting the other Jedi that they need help
[ 00:16:36:00 ] - [ 00:16:37:00 ]
[ 00:16:37:00 ] - [ 00:16:39:00 ]
They're buried under rubble stuff like that.
[ 00:16:39:00 ] - [ 00:16:40:00 ]
But I don't know I just kind of found it funny
[ 00:16:40:00 ] - [ 00:16:42:00 ]
that he was just like all right well if we're gonna go
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we're gonna go because I've lost my antenna.
[ 00:16:43:00 ] - [ 00:16:46:00 ]
So let's pick one of these two you know
[ 00:16:46:00 ] - [ 00:16:48:00 ]
[ 00:16:48:00 ] - [ 00:16:50:00 ]
[ 00:16:50:00 ] - [ 00:16:51:00 ]
[ 00:16:51:00 ] - [ 00:16:53:00 ]
Hyperspace ring. Hyperspace ring sounds like.
[ 00:16:53:00 ] - [ 00:16:55:00 ]
Hyper ring. Yeah. So whatever.
[ 00:16:55:00 ] - [ 00:16:56:00 ]
Whatever they don't say warp we know that.
[ 00:16:56:00 ] - [ 00:17:01:00 ]
And it's it's cool because R2
is human enough to know
[ 00:17:01:00 ] - [ 00:17:03:00 ]
that they're going to fire one of them.
[ 00:17:03:00 ] - [ 00:17:05:00 ]
So he's got like he's got like kind of choose
[ 00:17:05:00 ] - [ 00:17:06:00 ]
which one he thinks he can do it.
[ 00:17:06:00 ] - [ 00:17:08:00 ]
Well he kind of does a little faint towards
[ 00:17:08:00 ] - [ 00:17:09:00 ]
and that's the weird thing.
[ 00:17:09:00 ] - [ 00:17:13:00 ]
I'm wondering are these rings not interchangeable
[ 00:17:13:00 ] - [ 00:17:15:00 ]
because the way that's portrayed in the episode
[ 00:17:15:00 ] - [ 00:17:17:00 ]
they're like ways he's I got to pick the one
[ 00:17:17:00 ] - [ 00:17:20:00 ]
that he's going for the one that fits his ship.
[ 00:17:21:00 ] - [ 00:17:24:00 ]
And so he kind of R2
faints to the other one
[ 00:17:24:00 ] - [ 00:17:27:00 ]
which leads Boba
to shoot at that one
[ 00:17:27:00 ] - [ 00:17:29:00 ]
and then he goes and then R2
goes to the one
[ 00:17:29:00 ] - [ 00:17:31:00 ]
that actually is for his ship and they take.
[ 00:17:31:00 ] - [ 00:17:32:00 ]
Oh yeah I took it a different way.
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I took it as it like he's got to choose one.
[ 00:17:34:00 ] - [ 00:17:36:00 ]
We're only gonna have one shot.
[ 00:17:36:00 ] - [ 00:17:38:00 ]
I'm gonna hit the right one that he's gonna choose
[ 00:17:38:00 ] - [ 00:17:40:00 ]
and then he screws it up.
[ 00:17:40:00 ] - [ 00:17:41:00 ]
But I don't know if they're gonna screw it up.
[ 00:17:42:00 ] - [ 00:17:45:00 ]
They should be. I mean come on that's just bad engineering.
[ 00:17:45:00 ] - [ 00:17:46:00 ]
Bad design all around here.
[ 00:17:46:00 ] - [ 00:17:47:00 ]
I agree. I agree with that.
[ 00:17:47:00 ] - [ 00:17:48:00 ]
You need to change the parts.
[ 00:17:48:00 ] - [ 00:17:51:00 ]
When Slave One
is attacking the massive crashed capital ship
[ 00:17:52:00 ] - [ 00:17:55:00 ]
[ 00:17:55:00 ] - [ 00:17:57:00 ]
Beep beep beep beep. That's always fantastic.
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The I'm surprised you haven't said anything about the
[ 00:18:01:00 ] - [ 00:18:03:00 ]
artwork the rendering in this episode
[ 00:18:03:00 ] - [ 00:18:05:00 ]
because this was top notch.
[ 00:18:05:00 ] - [ 00:18:07:00 ]
It was it was good. Yeah I agree with that.
[ 00:18:07:00 ] - [ 00:18:08:00 ]
And I actually did not have that on my notes
[ 00:18:08:00 ] - [ 00:18:10:00 ]
but actually I've gotten to where I kind of expected
[ 00:18:10:00 ] - [ 00:18:11:00 ]
in these episodes now.
[ 00:18:11:00 ] - [ 00:18:12:00 ]
This was above and beyond.
[ 00:18:12:00 ] - [ 00:18:14:00 ]
I'm telling you if I make a note of it
[ 00:18:14:00 ] - [ 00:18:16:00 ]
it's something different. It's something special.
[ 00:18:16:00 ] - [ 00:18:17:00 ]
It also too like like I talked about
[ 00:18:17:00 ] - [ 00:18:19:00 ]
that kind of panoramic view of these massive ships
[ 00:18:19:00 ] - [ 00:18:20:00 ]
that have you know hit the ground.
[ 00:18:20:00 ] - [ 00:18:22:00 ]
Like you've got it in Episode one.
[ 00:18:22:00 ] - [ 00:18:24:00 ]
You know like like you see like Ray
[ 00:18:24:00 ] - [ 00:18:25:00 ]
going through these huge ships.
[ 00:18:25:00 ] - [ 00:18:27:00 ]
Like I love that a step like I love the fact
[ 00:18:27:00 ] - [ 00:18:30:00 ]
that there's these massively engineered things
[ 00:18:30:00 ] - [ 00:18:33:00 ]
that have just literally crashed on a planet's gravity
[ 00:18:33:00 ] - [ 00:18:34:00 ]
and they're huge.
[ 00:18:34:00 ] - [ 00:18:35:00 ]
They're huge and you saw that.
[ 00:18:35:00 ] - [ 00:18:36:00 ]
It brings it down to scale. Yeah.
[ 00:18:36:00 ] - [ 00:18:37:00 ]
It totally does.
[ 00:18:37:00 ] - [ 00:18:40:00 ]
And also too like this one had some really good artwork
[ 00:18:40:00 ] - [ 00:18:42:00 ]
on the panoramics when it would Flash back
[ 00:18:42:00 ] - [ 00:18:43:00 ]
and show like the entire ship.
[ 00:18:43:00 ] - [ 00:18:45:00 ]
You would literally see like birds flying across
[ 00:18:45:00 ] - [ 00:18:47:00 ]
like the screen.
[ 00:18:47:00 ] - [ 00:18:49:00 ]
And I'm like that's a detail that they didn't have to add
[ 00:18:49:00 ] - [ 00:18:51:00 ]
that you know I mean but it's really well done
[ 00:18:51:00 ] - [ 00:18:53:00 ]
and it's really like it makes you feel good about it.
[ 00:18:53:00 ] - [ 00:18:55:00 ]
I'm going to say that they want to do that
[ 00:18:55:00 ] - [ 00:18:57:00 ]
because they want to emphasize scale.
[ 00:18:57:00 ] - [ 00:18:58:00 ]
And how do you do that.
[ 00:18:58:00 ] - [ 00:19:00:00 ]
You make some birds fly across. Yeah.
[ 00:19:00:00 ] - [ 00:19:01:00 ]
Fair enough. Fair enough.
[ 00:19:01:00 ] - [ 00:19:04:00 ]
And maybe that's where I'm. Yeah. Yeah.
[ 00:19:04:00 ] - [ 00:19:06:00 ]
I agree. I think it's I think the artwork
[ 00:19:06:00 ] - [ 00:19:08:00 ]
was really well done for this guy.
[ 00:19:08:00 ] - [ 00:19:10:00 ]
And I think that it wasn't just necessarily
[ 00:19:10:00 ] - [ 00:19:12:00 ]
necessarily like well done caricatures.
[ 00:19:12:00 ] - [ 00:19:14:00 ]
I'm saying like the environments were really good.
[ 00:19:14:00 ] - [ 00:19:16:00 ]
All that kind of stuff. But no I agree with you.
[ 00:19:16:00 ] - [ 00:19:18:00 ]
And I probably should have mentioned it.
[ 00:19:18:00 ] - [ 00:19:20:00 ]
The chase scenes were the chase scenes were fantastic.
[ 00:19:20:00 ] - [ 00:19:21:00 ]
Yes they were.
[ 00:19:21:00 ] - [ 00:19:23:00 ]
Like I said when Slave 1
lit up the wreckage
[ 00:19:23:00 ] - [ 00:19:25:00 ]
of the big capital ship because they were trying
[ 00:19:25:00 ] - [ 00:19:26:00 ]
to just kill everybody in there.
[ 00:19:26:00 ] - [ 00:19:27:00 ]
It was just fantastic. Yeah it was.
[ 00:19:27:00 ] - [ 00:19:29:00 ]
Yeah. And you same thing that you mentioned earlier
[ 00:19:29:00 ] - [ 00:19:31:00 ]
with the pew pew pew pew pew pew.
[ 00:19:31:00 ] - [ 00:19:33:00 ]
Like you showed the explosions like riddle the ship
[ 00:19:33:00 ] - [ 00:19:35:00 ]
like literally like a path of them as it flew by.
[ 00:19:35:00 ] - [ 00:19:36:00 ]
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.
[ 00:19:36:00 ] - [ 00:19:40:00 ]
And then also too the other Dward was a really good
[ 00:19:40:00 ] - [ 00:19:43:00 ]
Dward was a basis droid R8 RX8
[ 00:19:43:00 ] - [ 00:19:45:00 ]
All right. Yeah. All right. Yeah. All right.
[ 00:19:45:00 ] - [ 00:19:47:00 ]
Yeah. And he was he was very well done too.
[ 00:19:47:00 ] - [ 00:19:49:00 ]
Like he had different colored buttons I noticed in R2
[ 00:19:49:00 ] - [ 00:19:50:00 ]
Like he had a little bit more color like he had a yellow
[ 00:19:50:00 ] - [ 00:19:53:00 ]
and a green button and they made him look a little
[ 00:19:53:00 ] - [ 00:19:55:00 ]
bit different. It was kind of neat.
[ 00:19:55:00 ] - [ 00:19:56:00 ]
And he's doomed. You know he's doomed.
[ 00:19:56:00 ] - [ 00:19:58:00 ]
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Totally.
[ 00:19:58:00 ] - [ 00:20:00:00 ]
And the Gundarks
too like like we see them
[ 00:20:00:00 ] - [ 00:20:02:00 ]
they're like kind of like a I don't know what you call it.
[ 00:20:02:00 ] - [ 00:20:06:00 ]
Not like a not like a not like a like a red coat
[ 00:20:06:00 ] - [ 00:20:09:00 ]
or anything from like Star Trek but like they're always
[ 00:20:09:00 ] - [ 00:20:11:00 ]
just the generic baddie almost. You know what I mean.
[ 00:20:11:00 ] - [ 00:20:13:00 ]
I feel like I feel like we've seen them so many different
[ 00:20:13:00 ] - [ 00:20:15:00 ]
times we heard about them in the original trilogy.
[ 00:20:16:00 ] - [ 00:20:17:00 ]
It's just like all the Gundarks
[ 00:20:17:00 ] - [ 00:20:20:00 ]
So it's just kind of like the when you need a bad guy
[ 00:20:20:00 ] - [ 00:20:22:00 ]
you throw you throw you throw these guys in there
[ 00:20:22:00 ] - [ 00:20:24:00 ]
and it's also just kind of like how many planets
[ 00:20:24:00 ] - [ 00:20:25:00 ]
are these things on.
[ 00:20:25:00 ] - [ 00:20:28:00 ]
I thought we saw earlier that they said well
[ 00:20:28:00 ] - [ 00:20:31:00 ]
that's a Gundark
so that means we're on this planet.
[ 00:20:31:00 ] - [ 00:20:33:00 ]
Right. I agree with that. And that was this planet.
[ 00:20:34:00 ] - [ 00:20:36:00 ]
I don't think so because that would mean they've crashed
[ 00:20:36:00 ] - [ 00:20:37:00 ]
twice into this planet.
[ 00:20:37:00 ] - [ 00:20:40:00 ]
And the reason the reason I say that is that this planet
[ 00:20:40:00 ] - [ 00:20:44:00 ]
is just riddled with ships is that in that the one
[ 00:20:44:00 ] - [ 00:20:47:00 ]
that we the one that we saw Gundarks
[ 00:20:47:00 ] - [ 00:21:10:00 ]
[ 00:21:11:00 ] - [ 00:21:15:00 ]
And it was Anakin
and I think it was Obi-Wan get in the fight and they get trapped in the Gundark
[ 00:21:15:00 ] - [ 00:21:18:00 ]
And then you remember we went back and read the other perspective of it.
[ 00:21:18:00 ] - [ 00:21:20:00 ]
So it was like Dooku
's perspective of the whole fight.
[ 00:21:20:00 ] - [ 00:21:23:00 ]
So, yeah, and again, it just seemed like and I totally remember and you are correct.
[ 00:21:23:00 ] - [ 00:21:25:00 ]
They said, oh, that's a Gundark
. We're on this planet.
[ 00:21:25:00 ] - [ 00:21:27:00 ]
I totally remember that being said, so I don't know.
[ 00:21:27:00 ] - [ 00:21:30:00 ]
It could be the same planet. I just yeah, I don't I don't know.
[ 00:21:30:00 ] - [ 00:21:32:00 ]
I doubt it's the same planet, but maybe so. I don't know.
[ 00:21:32:00 ] - [ 00:21:34:00 ]
But yeah, that's it's a good that's a good question.
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I'm actually going to write that down on my notes and look that up because that's that's a really good kind of like like
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sticker point because they said that in the cartoon and Clone Wars
, which would have only been last season.
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So it's almost like they had to have known that they were going to do that.
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You know, it's not it's not like that was coming from a comic that we read, you know, like, you know.
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Yeah, it's it's it should be part of this show's Bible.
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And so I would hope that they're they're following their own code.
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Yeah. And that's going to be interesting if they didn't, just because now I'm kind of like, well,
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is there other stuff that we're going to come across that's like not really the same from episode episode.
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But all right. You know, you know what I'm going to do?
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I want to I want to say so. So I we're pretty sure that this is going to be the third.
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The last episode of this season is going to be the arc ender for this arc.
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I think we're both in agreement with that, aren't we?
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That's what I expect. Yeah. I mean, basically, I don't think they're going to carry that on in the next season
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where they kidnapped the captain. They kidnapped the navigation officer and another head leadership guy.
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Basically, a Slave One
. The bounty hunters take away these three guys and they float off because they don't want to.
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They're not waiting for the cavalry to arrive, of course, to rescue the Jedi.
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So they're gone. I expect that the next episode is going to be them
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flaunting those guys are trying to deliver them to Doku
and the Jedi are going after him.
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But maybe I could be wrong. Maybe they're hanging on to that for the end of the season.
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I'm not sure. But but regardless, we that is one of our next episodes.
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So 21 will be on the docket.
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Actually, let's do let's do give me a rating for both of these guys separate.
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I was going to I was going to say, I was going to say, you know,
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let's go separate because Death Trap.
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Fine. It's fine. Nothing special.
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Probably clocking in around a 74.
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OK, I had a little higher. I had 80 just because I thought I was.
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I thought it was kind of nice. But six point curve. That's about that's about where we're at usually.
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But the next episode, that one's way up.
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That is that is seriously I was so impressed with that episode.
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I want to say it's it's it's at least an 85, maybe maybe more like an 87, 88.
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OK, I was going low 80s. I was going to go 82.
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I thought it was better than the first or not better than the first one.
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But I'm sorry, it was better than the first one, but for different reasons.
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Yeah, OK. Interesting. So I'm lower than you on the second one.
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That's that's interesting. That's right. Yeah, that was a really good episode.
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I thoroughly enjoyed that. Yeah, it was good. I agree. It was good.
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Not as good as Zillabees. I'm comparing everything to Zillabees now.
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Yes, you are. I feel like. Well, I think it's like this is the whole Kaiju thing.
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Like I just I just I love that. Like just sense of like this thing wreaking havoc and curse on it.
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kind of being behind it, but not being behind it. You know, that kind of stuff.
[ 00:24:03:00 ] - [ 00:24:06:00 ]
But yeah, they were good. They were good episodes.
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I'm eager to see how this arc ends.
[ 00:24:09:00 ] - [ 00:24:13:00 ]
And I believe we actually just move directly on to season three for the next one.
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So these were good episodes. Maybe we'll do since we've got one more left in this season.
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Maybe we'll do three episodes for the next podcast and then also the tales just to get three of them kind of out of the way
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and started into the next season, season three. Anything else you want to touch on in those two episodes?
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No. All right. I am ready to talk about the next really awesome thing.
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We get and here's my question, because we talked about it earlier.
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So for those who don't know, this came out on August 26th of last year, 2022.
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It's relatively new. We talked about how we are doing this stuff in canon, but we're also kind of on the side to add a little,
[ 00:24:59:00 ] - [ 00:25:01:00 ]
[ 00:25:01:00 ] - [ 00:25:03:00 ]
We went through visions and did one episode.
[ 00:25:03:00 ] - [ 00:25:07:00 ]
We did one episode of visions for each podcast for about seven podcasts.
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And now we're going back through Tales of the Jedi
just because they're these short little like 10 to 15 minute.
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This one happens to be canon stories, miniature stories, that many stories, many series.
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I don't know what you want to call these things.
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I was about to say vinaigrettes and then I was like, no, that is completely incorrect.
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They're little vinaigrettes, little balsamics, little vinaigrettes.
[ 00:25:31:00 ] - [ 00:25:34:00 ]
But basically these things are just 10 to 15 minutes long.
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They're really nice because they give us a little bit of a break, too, because we watch all these Clone Wars
in a row
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and we get something else to talk about.
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You start us off.
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Fantastic. I am loving this series so much.
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It was. It was good. It was really good.
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Every part of this was fantastic.
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From the beginning, you know, with the ship coming into the planet, great atmospherics there, great, great, you know, tension, great atmosphere, great.
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Foreboding is not the right word.
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I don't know. It was a little foreboding.
[ 00:26:09:00 ] - [ 00:26:10:00 ]
I'll give you four.
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Is foreboding the word I'm looking for?
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It works for me.
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Now my question is, did I miss it? Did they say that was Qui-Gon up front?
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No, but you know it is.
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You know it's Qui-Gon, that's what I'm saying.
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So he calls him Master Doku
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So we know for a fact that that is Doku
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Even before that, it looks like Qui-Gon.
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It totally is.
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It's not Riel Averroes or any of those other people that were under Doku
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I don't think that I remember him mentioning him by name though.
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It was only at the end of the episode.
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I'm pretty sure that was the only time his name was mentioned.
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Yeah, and then you got the...
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I mean, if you didn't, me and you both knew it was Doku
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Just because we've been reading and listening to and audio-booking.
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Sorry, audio-playing Doku
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But if you didn't know it, you definitely knew it when you did the lightsaber.
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Because then you're like, oh, that's his lightsaber.
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But it's blue.
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What's going on here?
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So that was really cool.
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I love the setting to this.
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It was this bleak township where you could believe that the kid that was captured...
[ 00:27:22:00 ] - [ 00:27:26:00 ]
By the way, this did come out in August 26 of last year.
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We really try not to do spoilers for stuff that's pretty recent.
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But on these small series, we actually are talking about it.
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So if you don't want to know anything about it, if you want to go watch it fresh, stop here.
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But we are going to talk about the actual storyline and where it ends up.
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So what I was going to say is, it was so bleak and it was drawn so well.
[ 00:27:42:00 ] - [ 00:27:47:00 ]
And the characters were so good that I actually could believe that the Senator
's son was like,
[ 00:27:47:00 ] - [ 00:27:49:00 ]
I can't believe my dad's doing this.
[ 00:27:49:00 ] - [ 00:27:51:00 ]
Well, and they had to do that.
[ 00:27:51:00 ] - [ 00:28:00:00 ]
They had to make it as black and white as possible for you to buy that this pampered Senator
's son would turn on his dad.
[ 00:28:00:00 ] - [ 00:28:04:00 ]
And the Jedi would turn on a Senator
[ 00:28:04:00 ] - [ 00:28:06:00 ]
Yeah, agreed. That's a good call.
[ 00:28:06:00 ] - [ 00:28:08:00 ]
It had to be cut and dried.
[ 00:28:08:00 ] - [ 00:28:11:00 ]
Of course you're going to take a stand against this jackass.
[ 00:28:11:00 ] - [ 00:28:18:00 ]
And then the Senator
, he's really making it easy for Doku
to kill him.
[ 00:28:18:00 ] - [ 00:28:20:00 ]
I'm going to burn this village to the ground.
[ 00:28:20:00 ] - [ 00:28:22:00 ]
And I'm going to burn every other village to the ground.
[ 00:28:22:00 ] - [ 00:28:24:00 ]
And I'm going to rape all the women.
[ 00:28:24:00 ] - [ 00:28:25:00 ]
He didn't say that.
[ 00:28:25:00 ] - [ 00:28:30:00 ]
He's making it really, really easy for Doku
to say, you know what, no, to snap.
[ 00:28:30:00 ] - [ 00:28:31:00 ]
I'm going to cut your head off.
[ 00:28:31:00 ] - [ 00:28:32:00 ]
[ 00:28:32:00 ] - [ 00:28:33:00 ]
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And you see, and that was the best part of this episode for me, is because you see Doku
acting admirably by defending the people, the township people.
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He's like, no, this is not, we're here to make sure that justice is served.
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I mean, the name of the show, or the name of this episode.
[ 00:28:47:00 ] - [ 00:28:51:00 ]
But you see him having to be like, I know we didn't come here for you.
[ 00:28:51:00 ] - [ 00:28:54:00 ]
We came here because of an injustice.
[ 00:28:54:00 ] - [ 00:28:56:00 ]
And I'm going to defend these people.
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And then you get even more of a snap, like an actual, oh, this is where the dark Doku
[ 00:29:01:00 ] - [ 00:29:02:00 ]
You know what I mean?
[ 00:29:02:00 ] - [ 00:29:05:00 ]
You see him just be like, no, I'm going to choke you right now.
[ 00:29:05:00 ] - [ 00:29:06:00 ]
You know what I mean?
[ 00:29:06:00 ] - [ 00:29:15:00 ]
And that's when I love the fact that Qui-Gon knew that this could happen and has to very quickly and very intelligently figure out a way to stop it.
[ 00:29:15:00 ] - [ 00:29:17:00 ]
And that was the best part of this episode for me.
[ 00:29:17:00 ] - [ 00:29:18:00 ]
[ 00:29:18:00 ] - [ 00:29:19:00 ]
[ 00:29:19:00 ] - [ 00:29:20:00 ]
[ 00:29:20:00 ] - [ 00:29:22:00 ]
I loved seeing Doku
choke the guy out.
[ 00:29:22:00 ] - [ 00:29:23:00 ]
That was cool.
[ 00:29:23:00 ] - [ 00:29:30:00 ]
And then also, too, the son running out, like Qui-Gon goes and he lets the son go and he's like, you got to go save your dad because he's about to die.
[ 00:29:30:00 ] - [ 00:29:32:00 ]
And that's pretty much what he says.
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That's literally like, you need to go get your dad because he's about to be dead.
[ 00:29:35:00 ] - [ 00:29:43:00 ]
And it's funny because it gives this kind of like evil mentality that Qui-Gon, you're like, well, has Qui-Gon seen other shit?
[ 00:29:43:00 ] - [ 00:29:51:00 ]
Like, you know, and Qui-Gon, we talk about on the show, he's one of my favorite characters personally because he's so out there.
[ 00:29:51:00 ] - [ 00:29:56:00 ]
And he's so like, I follow these rules, but I also have my own code of ethics, too, that I have to go by.
[ 00:29:56:00 ] - [ 00:30:01:00 ]
, of course, was the same way and then ended up just turning bad because he did not trust the Jedi.
[ 00:30:01:00 ] - [ 00:30:08:00 ]
But I enjoyed seeing Qui-Gon and wondering, be like, was this like commonplace whenever him and Doku
were going around?
[ 00:30:08:00 ] - [ 00:30:11:00 ]
[ 00:30:11:00 ] - [ 00:30:15:00 ]
Could he not sense the darkness building in Doku
at that moment?
[ 00:30:15:00 ] - [ 00:30:16:00 ]
[ 00:30:16:00 ] - [ 00:30:21:00 ]
And then to layer something else in, he must have been somewhat OK with it.
[ 00:30:21:00 ] - [ 00:30:25:00 ]
It's not like he's like letting Yoda
and all them know about this kind of stuff.
[ 00:30:25:00 ] - [ 00:30:30:00 ]
Yeah, sending up the signal flare like, dark, bad Jedi.
[ 00:30:30:00 ] - [ 00:30:31:00 ]
He's welcoming it.
[ 00:30:31:00 ] - [ 00:30:36:00 ]
And if you flashback, though, to the whole Rael Averroes
and all that kind of stuff from the audio book and then the other stuff,
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like you kind of see it where Qui-Gon gives him a lot of room.
[ 00:30:39:00 ] - [ 00:30:43:00 ]
Like he's just like, because remember, he finds them and I forget what the name of the thing was,
[ 00:30:43:00 ] - [ 00:30:48:00 ]
but it was basically this like, like holocrux that's like, remember it was like in the library or the Jedi archives
[ 00:30:48:00 ] - [ 00:30:52:00 ]
And you weren't supposed to check it out or you weren't even supposed to read it.
[ 00:30:52:00 ] - [ 00:30:58:00 ]
And then remember, if you remember, he walks in and Doku
's like reading it in his own office.
[ 00:30:58:00 ] - [ 00:30:59:00 ]
As in like, how did you get that?
[ 00:30:59:00 ] - [ 00:31:04:00 ]
And then he explains to Qui-Gon at that point in that, I think it was the audio drama, if I remember right.
[ 00:31:04:00 ] - [ 00:31:06:00 ]
[ 00:31:06:00 ] - [ 00:31:08:00 ]
I forget where that happened, but I remember.
[ 00:31:08:00 ] - [ 00:31:10:00 ]
But yeah, and then he walks in and he's like, and you know,
[ 00:31:11:00 ] - [ 00:31:14:00 ]
Look, it's not black and white. The Jedi are very, you know, and at this time,
[ 00:31:14:00 ] - [ 00:31:18:00 ]
was, you know, full Jedi and he's like, you know, the, the Jedi are very good people.
[ 00:31:18:00 ] - [ 00:31:21:00 ]
You know, we're, we're here to do all this other stuff. That's, that's good to help everybody,
[ 00:31:21:00 ] - [ 00:31:24:00 ]
but it's not always black and white.
[ 00:31:24:00 ] - [ 00:31:27:00 ]
And sometimes you need to see these stuff that they don't want you to see. And, um,
[ 00:31:27:00 ] - [ 00:31:31:00 ]
and that was, that was this, that this felt like that.
[ 00:31:31:00 ] - [ 00:31:33:00 ]
And I went back and look, cause I was like, I was like, what is,
[ 00:31:33:00 ] - [ 00:31:36:00 ]
what timeline was this technically? Because this isn't of course on our list,
[ 00:31:36:00 ] - [ 00:31:39:00 ]
[ 00:31:39:00 ] - [ 00:31:44:00 ]
So yeah, way back. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's like 42 to 63 BBY
or 63 to 42 BBY
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um, is what people are saying. This is in that range. They don't know of course,
[ 00:31:48:00 ] - [ 00:31:50:00 ]
but, um, but yeah,
[ 00:31:50:00 ] - [ 00:31:54:00 ]
this was kind of a neat thing that we've gotten so far in the Canon that we now
[ 00:31:54:00 ] - [ 00:31:57:00 ]
get all flashback that technically isn't on our list, but,
[ 00:31:58:00 ] - [ 00:32:00:00 ]
but we get a flashback and we can be like, Hey, we know that we,
[ 00:32:00:00 ] - [ 00:32:03:00 ]
we knew what was going on at this time. And, uh, that was, that was,
[ 00:32:03:00 ] - [ 00:32:05:00 ]
that was pretty neat. I really, really enjoyed this episode.
[ 00:32:05:00 ] - [ 00:32:08:00 ]
I hope all the details are like this. Yeah, absolutely.
[ 00:32:08:00 ] - [ 00:32:11:00 ]
So what was your takeaway from the episode? What happens,
[ 00:32:12:00 ] - [ 00:32:13:00 ]
what happens next?
[ 00:32:14:00 ] - [ 00:32:18:00 ]
Um, I feel like that they're going to leave this planet and just go about
[ 00:32:18:00 ] - [ 00:32:20:00 ]
whatever their next job is. I mean, I think what happens,
[ 00:32:20:00 ] - [ 00:32:23:00 ]
what happens to the planet, what happens on the planet? I don't know.
[ 00:32:23:00 ] - [ 00:32:27:00 ]
It's a great question. I don't know. Can the kid bring about change? I, you know,
[ 00:32:27:00 ] - [ 00:32:30:00 ]
nothing changes. You don't think anything does you think that's,
[ 00:32:30:00 ] - [ 00:32:32:00 ]
you think this is, this is one of the straws that kind of breaks Doku
[ 00:32:33:00 ] - [ 00:32:37:00 ]
Uh, I hadn't thought about it in those terms, but, uh, I'm just saying for me,
[ 00:32:37:00 ] - [ 00:32:41:00 ]
this was a heartbreaking episode because I know that nothing changes. Yeah.
[ 00:32:41:00 ] - [ 00:32:43:00 ]
And you're probably right. The kid, the kid is going to try,
[ 00:32:44:00 ] - [ 00:32:48:00 ]
he's going to come up against the wall of bureaucracy and tradition and what
[ 00:32:48:00 ] - [ 00:32:51:00 ]
have you. And, and he's going to get disillusioned, uh, and just, you know,
[ 00:32:51:00 ] - [ 00:32:56:00 ]
throw up his hands and not care anymore. Um, or run away or run away from his,
[ 00:32:57:00 ] - [ 00:32:59:00 ]
no, I don't see him ending up like his dad.
[ 00:32:59:00 ] - [ 00:33:01:00 ]
He's either going to just be broken inside and, you know,
[ 00:33:01:00 ] - [ 00:33:04:00 ]
basically kind of dead inside. Like, you know, nothing matters. I can't,
[ 00:33:04:00 ] - [ 00:33:08:00 ]
I can't do anything or he will run away and try to, you know,
[ 00:33:08:00 ] - [ 00:33:10:00 ]
like do something somewhere else. Yeah.
[ 00:33:12:00 ] - [ 00:33:14:00 ]
His own way. Like, like kind of prove himself his own way. Yeah. Yeah.
[ 00:33:15:00 ] - [ 00:33:19:00 ]
It's, it's a, it's a, yeah. One of the things that I noticed too, that I,
[ 00:33:19:00 ] - [ 00:33:22:00 ]
I did kind of like, I don't, it didn't,
[ 00:33:22:00 ] - [ 00:33:25:00 ]
I'm not gonna say it didn't sit well with me, but toward the end,
[ 00:33:25:00 ] - [ 00:33:29:00 ]
did you notice how the guys that had shot the townspeople were helping them out?
[ 00:33:31:00 ] - [ 00:33:33:00 ]
I did not notice that. Okay. So there's,
[ 00:33:33:00 ] - [ 00:33:36:00 ]
there's a scene at the very end of this where, uh, Oh,
[ 00:33:36:00 ] - [ 00:33:38:00 ]
Oh, another thing I wanted to bring up though. I really enjoyed the Mac,
[ 00:33:38:00 ] - [ 00:33:42:00 ]
the big Mac that kind of like, Oh, two ton. Yeah. Two ton. Awesome. Yeah.
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That was a, that was a really cool Mac. That was really cool design. Um,
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almost as cool as Doku
in them starship. I really liked that starship too.
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I hadn't seen a design like that. Like I feel like I'm not a huge, you know,
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I don't know all the different ship classes and all that kind of stuff,
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but I do like kind of know like the, the looks of a lot of ships.
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And I don't think we've seen a ship that looks like that.
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But we know we have, we have, we have somewhere, I swear with the vertical,
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the vertical turns. Yeah. It turns and sits. Yes. But was it,
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we've seen that somewhere. We've seen that somewhere. It may even, uh,
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have been in the, what was the video game? The, um, Oh shoot. Oh,
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fallen Jedi. Yeah. It may have even been in the video game,
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but I know we've seen possibly even that particular ship design before.
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Wow. Okay. Good memory. I did not remember that,
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but I thought that that was the coolest thing I'd seen in a while.
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I was like, Oh, it's super cool. It makes no sense at all.
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It doesn't have to. It's it's it's pure star wars. Yeah. That, that,
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that ship was super cool. And then of course, two ton was awesome.
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I really enjoyed two times, but anyways, at the very end of the scene,
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at the very end, whenever, uh,
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Qui-Gon and Doku
were kind of walking away and you see the speeder pull off
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it flashes over and shows two ton trying to load something onto a cart.
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I think is what it was. I remember that. Yeah. And if you look,
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the next two or three scenes are the townspeople like injured towns,
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people like sitting there and you see the, uh, the guys that shot them,
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the army personnel, the Senator
literally like helping them.
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And I'm like, this is really weird because you guys just shot them.
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Like you guys are the, you're the problem. And then like 30,
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30 minutes later, after you're lost, technically, um,
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you're sitting there like, like helping their wounds and stuff.
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And it's not just one panel.
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It's like multiple like shots that they kind of like filter through.
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So I'm going to have to revise what I said about, uh, what happens after that,
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that is the writer of the show saying,
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trying to convey to you that no things are going to change.
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Yeah. And it, and it does. And it's like three or four different,
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like I said, scenes where it shows the, the, the warrior guys,
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the army guys, like helping out people that they can literally just straight
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I totally missed that completely.
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Well, I think that possibly it's because you saw two ton loading that cool cart
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thing and the little dog running out after him. And, um,
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and got dismayed and you're like, Oh, puppy dog, two ton, two ton puppy dog.
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And then you miss like, and it's a split second. It's only like, you know,
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four or five seconds total of showing them. But, uh, yeah, I, I,
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I really enjoyed this. I I'm excited for it.
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I'm very excited for this series.
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It's two great episodes so far.
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Yeah, and I'm happy to add it.
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One good episode and one great episode.
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Yeah, the last one was good.
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If I ranked them, this one would be far higher than the first episode with Ahsoka
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And I like that one. I like the old lady and all that kind of stuff.
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And the Saber-2 Tiger.
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But this one was definitely in a league higher in my opinion.
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By far, yes.
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Alright, Jon, let's move on to some geekery, man.
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What all have you been watching?
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Oh, I want to know. Wait, can I, can I? I'm sorry.
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I asked you what you're watching. I'm so, I'm totally, I know.
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I'm totally, totally cutting you off.
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I thought about something about after the last podcast.
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You and I both watched Avatar and we really didn't talk about it too much.
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We talked about it a little bit.
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But I feel like we need to have, and we'll go ahead and preface it with a little bit of,
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we'll try not to give away anything huge.
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No, we can talk about that. Let's talk about that.
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Yeah, because we, because it's funny because we talked about it a little bit
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and I fully expected it because I was editing a little bit.
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I fully expected us to go down the rabbit hole there because, but we'll talk about why.
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But we didn't.
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And I'm like, oh, I don't think we've talked about Avatar at all
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other than that little blurb from the last podcast.
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So first off.
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I'm not going, now ground rules, I'm not restraining myself.
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This movie has made over $2 billion.
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Everybody's seen it.
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I'm not going to worry about spoilers.
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Okay, so if you don't want to know what spoilers are about Avatar,
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Way of the Water, isn't that the name of it?
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Way of the Water?
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Way of the Water?
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I think it's Way of the Water.
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[ 00:38:07:00 ] - [ 00:38:08:00 ]
Let's just say Avatar.
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No one's going to call it the Way of the Watering or whatever it is.
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Yeah, it's the Watering.
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Okay, so Avatar 2, spoilers coming up.
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If you don't want to listen to us, jump ahead, like, I don't know,
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like 15 minutes or whatever we got.
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Yeah, give me your opinion first.
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I enjoyed the movie.
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Let's be clear about that.
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I enjoyed the movie.
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I thought it was very well done.
[ 00:38:28:00 ] - [ 00:38:29:00 ]
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I enjoyed it.
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It is a very long film, and it didn't feel like a long film for the most part.
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I am actually super impressed that James Cameron was able to make Avatar
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all over again, which itself was a ripoff of various other films,
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and still make it seem fresh and still get billions of dollars in box office.
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It's the same movie.
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It is the exact same movie.
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Isn't that amazing?
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But to be fair, though, and I thought about this, you know, like, all right,
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so I walked out of there, and I was like, that is, number one,
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the best looking movie I've seen ever in my life.
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And you saw the 3D one, too. We saw the 3D one. It really was.
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It really was the best looking, like, detailed graphics throughout the entire
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run length of a long movie.
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Every single scene, nothing looked like it was, like, called in.
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Like, you know, like you watch, like, Transformers or something,
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and, like, you'll see one scene where there's, like, incredible detail
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in this big fight, and then the next scene it's kind of like,
[ 00:39:30:00 ] - [ 00:39:31:00 ]
oh, okay, you didn't work on that one that much.
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You know what I mean?
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Every single second of that movie, every single millisecond of that movie
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was fine tooth combed.
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Like, it was, it looked so good.
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I couldn't, I'm not going to say I couldn't get past the story.
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The story was a lot more emotional, I felt, than the first one.
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I thought that they hit those notes really, really well.
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But overall, yeah, I completely agree.
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It is the exact same story. Exact same story.
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It is. There's no escaping it. It's the same story.
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It's the same movie all over again.
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It makes me really wonder about Avatar 3,
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which is apparently going to be about some fire people,
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which I guess we're just covering all the elements at this point.
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Yeah, every element at this point.
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It's like Avatar the Last Airbender, but not, but still called Avatar.
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Yeah, I don't know if I have actually much more to say about it,
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because it's just the same movie all over again.
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Very well done.
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I really do think, because one of the big things about Avatar,
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like an internet trope has been, it had Zero cultural impact.
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You can't quote it.
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Most people can't name a single character out of the movie.
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There are people on the street, like, name a character from Avatar.
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All I could do, because it's so memorable, was the Jake Sully.
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That's all I could do.
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What was the girl's name? No idea. Not a clue.
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What was the big bad guy? No idea. Not a clue.
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Quote one line from the movie.
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Nope. Got nothing.
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But what's amazing is that it, honest to goodness, is an amazingly big IP.
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People know exactly what you're talking about when you talk about Avatar.
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They knew it before this movie.
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There's just something.
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I'm sure there are many dissertations.
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is being written or have been written about Derry.
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It is a rich, seemingly, I would say, fully developed world.
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And it has no hooks, no quotable lines, no memorable characters.
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So let's say, let's say, and I'm not saying anything based on the actors or actresses,
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but let's say what if Cameron, because Cameron, this is an amazing world building experience.
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It really is.
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Like, there's no denying that.
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Like, it is, it is, it is very neat seeing a new world, the IP, I mean, that's been created, in my opinion.
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That's really well done.
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I mean, like, it's very well detailed.
[ 00:42:09:00 ] - [ 00:42:10:00 ]
It's very well thought out.
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Down to the animal designs, you know, everything.
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The evolution thing.
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Yeah, the evolution, the body plans of all the animals around there.
[ 00:42:18:00 ] - [ 00:42:18:00 ]
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Someone put a lot of thought into that.
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Or the species.
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God bless them.
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Or yeah, or just the, it's the same species, but different places, so they've evolved differently with tails and all that.
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Like, it's really, it is amazingly well thought out, and he should get all the credit in the world for that.
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But I totally agree with you that, like, there's just nothing that sticks out.
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Quote one line.
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Quote one line from this movie.
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Well, I can quote one line from this movie, but I just watched it like a month ago.
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Yeah, sure, go ahead.
[ 00:42:45:00 ] - [ 00:42:46:00 ]
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John, I see you.
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Oh, that is the lamest thing.
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Well, yeah, but I'm just saying.
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Okay, so you're telling me that if you pulled somebody aside, you know, on the street and said, I see you, they would say, Avatar!
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No, come on.
[ 00:43:00:00 ] - [ 00:43:01:00 ]
[ 00:43:01:00 ] - [ 00:43:04:00 ]
If you said, Luke
, I'm your father, they're going to know what that is.
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Yeah, because you said the word Luke
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But yeah, I mean, yeah, I understand where you're coming from.
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That's the closest that this movie got to having a little line that you could probably say to people.
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If I were to say to you, Adrian!
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You know what that's from.
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Yeah, I do, but I'm just saying, like, if I do the whole hand motion thing onto somebody and be like, I see you.
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Like, make it dramatic.
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I bet I could get it.
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I'm going to do that next time we go out.
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I'm just going to be like, I'm going to turn to one of our other friends and just be like, I see you.
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And I will say, it's a me, the Godfather, and you're going to know what that's from.
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Yeah, that's the closest.
[ 00:43:41:00 ] - [ 00:43:44:00 ]
Well, this proves your point, and I'm not disproving your point.
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If that's the closest you'll get, then there's not much of anything quotable.
[ 00:43:50:00 ] - [ 00:43:57:00 ]
But again, now I'm sitting back saying, did Cameron one up some people by creating this massive world,
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this world that I don't know anyone who has not said that that was one of the most beautiful, lush worlds that you can almost feel in a movie.
[ 00:44:08:00 ] - [ 00:44:10:00 ]
He's created this entire world.
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The characters are not memorable, but we've repeated this story again.
[ 00:44:15:00 ] - [ 00:44:18:00 ]
The story is pretty memorable.
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The story is, as you're seeing, it's a very, very, very environmental thing where the first one was about trees.
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This one's about the water.
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The next one, I guess, about fire.
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I don't know.
[ 00:44:29:00 ] - [ 00:44:31:00 ]
Well, this one was about the whales.
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Sure, the whales.
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But that's exactly what I'm saying.
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It's very easy for us to talk about what the movie's premise was trying to convey, but we do forget the characters.
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I totally agree with you, and maybe that's a really neat step because in the land of comic book characters, the character makes the movie.
[ 00:44:50:00 ] - [ 00:44:54:00 ]
It's just like Deadpool is Deadpool because he's Deadpool.
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The story is in the back seat for comic movies a lot of times.
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Don't get me wrong.
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You've got big arcs and the whole thing.
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When you piece together 10 different movies, it's very, very impressive.
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But I'm just saying, usually the characters are at the forefront, and I'm going to see this movie because Wolverine's in it.
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You know what I mean?
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I love Wolverine.
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That's why I want to go see it.
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Whereas this one, you do not have – there is no favorite character from Avatar.
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You know what I mean?
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I completely agree.
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And then you go see the movie, and you walk away knowing the message from the movie, but you still didn't get anything from the characters.
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You know what I mean?
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Maybe that's a –
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It took me a second.
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I understand the point you're making.
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It is a very interesting point.
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It's a world-driven story versus a character-driven story or even a story-driven story or event-driven story.
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It's a world-driven story.
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It's the environment itself is the point of the story.
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And that's an interesting point.
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That's maybe a character.
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I mean, it's just like a world-driven narrative.
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He probably would say that Pandora is a character.
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I would 100% –
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He drove that home.
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I would 100% tell you that that is his message.
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But I don't – it's weird.
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That's not weird.
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I shouldn't say it's weird because it's not weird.
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It's very – if he's trying to do that on purpose, I give him tons of credit because that is looking past the movies that make tons of money today and saying I'm delivering an actual message.
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You may or may not agree with it.
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But I'm going to craft this world to be able to deliver that message and then I'll have supporting characters to drive home this point.
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Whether that's what's going on, I don't know.
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But I'm going to craft this world to be able to deliver that message and then I'll have supporting characters to drive home this point.
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But again, the most beautiful movie I've seen in a long, long time.
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I'd go see it just to go see it in 3D.
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And I completely agree with you that.
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Well, let me take that back.
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I was going to say that the three hours or whatever it is goes by pretty quick.
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But there is I distinctly remember one point
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where we're getting introduced to the water world
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and we're seeing all the different cool species and like all this other stuff.
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And I enjoy it.
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But I think I enjoyed it for like four minutes.
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And then like, I think it goes on for like maybe like it goes.
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Yeah, that part goes on like six or seven minutes.
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And it just gets a little too much to me.
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Yeah. And also when you have the just stereotypical
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boys are going to pick on the new kid, you know, and take him out
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beyond the reef where he shouldn't go and then leave him for dead
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to be eaten. Jesus.
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But anyway, it's like I know where this is going and it's boring.
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Yeah, but it was there was there was a point to that, of course,
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which was he had to meet that special outcast whale.
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And if you've not seen the movie, this probably makes no sense to you at all.
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At all. At all. Get ready.
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This is a whale that's been exiled because he was mean or violent in the past.
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No, he never they the whales a long time ago
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made a pact that they would never murder another whale.
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And he did it. Well, he.
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Well, no, no, no, no.
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He would never murder. He would never murder.
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He would never murder, period. Yes.
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Yeah. He would never. He would never.
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They were passivists. Yes, they're passivists whales with tattoos.
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But they're Pacific pacifists.
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Yeah. Pacific pacifist whales with tattoos on the inside of them, not on the outside.
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Yes. So it's it's yeah, I cannot imagine listening to this conversation
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having not seen this movie because and that's that's another
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I'll give another plus the story moves so fast that you collect
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a lot of information that maybe in three hours makes sense.
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Yeah. It's like I'm with you.
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OK, yeah. Got it. Well, yeah, yeah.
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There was never one point at which even I went to the bathroom like once.
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I think there was never a point at which I came back in and was like, wait a minute.
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I, I don't understand what's going on.
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It carries well. It really does. It carries very well.
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Also, too, I want to bring back and I meant to mention this earlier,
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but you were talking about a point you made.
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And I completely agree that Avatar made tons and tons of money
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by telling the exact same story. OK.
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And I know your feelings on some Star Wars films,
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and we're not going to get into that.
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But was there anything else that you've seen recently
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that did the almost exact same story that made tons of money?
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Well, obviously you have something in mind
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with very, very, very good character driven.
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It's the same with Top Gun.
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Top Gun was the same. It was the same movie again.
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You think so? Yes, I do think so.
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I don't think so. I'm going to use that.
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Top Gun Maverick was a Star Wars.
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It is. Yes, I agree with that.
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But I don't know. I just felt like the same kind of.
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It was not the same as Top Gun.
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Top Gun was all about the school.
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Yeah. And tactics and trying to be Top Gun.
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I feel like Top Gun and spoilers for Top Gun.
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I feel like Top Gun was was very similar.
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It was geared towards the people that like the first one.
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I mean, it was it was it was awesome.
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Absolutely amazing movie.
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People are more impressed with the movie than I am.
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I think it was a fine film.
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But people just go nuts over it.
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And I don't. Oh, yeah.
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I talk to people that are just like that was the best movie
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I've seen in the last movie.
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It's like, OK, it was fine.
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I've heard it's like the best movie in the last decade.
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I'm like, it was good, but it wasn't like it was it was it was
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the money spent, the action scenes, very well choreographed.
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You got Cruz is just ridiculous.
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You know, like it's like, you know, it was.
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But I feel like that that Avatar's in its own way
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is very similar to that kind of vein with Top Gun to me.
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At least for the last year, I enjoyed the hell out of both of them.
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They were both great, but they're not as big as I think
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some other people think that they are.
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And also, I just feel like it's not the story.
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There's no story.
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I disagree with you in what you just said, what you said.
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You know, people think that they're just the most awesome.
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I have not met anyone.
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Maybe I live a sheltered life.
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I have not met anyone that thinks that Avatar two
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was like the best thing ever made.
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Oh, fair enough.
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Or the best thing this year.
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The best thing in the past five.
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Well, no one.
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No one. Everybody's seen it, but no one thinks it's like that's
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that's a great movie.
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OK, it's it goes back to the it's in the same vein of it has no impact.
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It has no footprint.
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People just it's like cotton candy.
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They enjoy it. They eat it. It's gone.
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What would you say?
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What what 3D movie have you seen that was better than that?
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And I'm not I'm not trying to specify you to 3D
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just because I know we both don't watch a lot 3D movies.
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I'm just trying to figure out like what?
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Yeah, it's hard for me to compare this movie to other movies
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because I was so wowed by the 3D graphics.
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That it's like, how do you compare that to other movies?
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I was impressed.
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I was impressed by the 3D graphics in the sense that I didn't notice them.
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That's how good they are.
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You were more into that environment with 3D?
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I know I felt I felt immersed.
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Yeah, 3D is where you notice the 3D.
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No, no. Oh yeah. Fair enough.
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I see what you're saying.
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You're saying that you kept the glasses on.
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Like, yeah, it didn't bother you.
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Yeah, of course I kept the glasses on.
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But I mean, it was immersive
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without drawing attention to itself.
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And that's that's what makes it good.
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OK, fair enough. I like this.
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Yeah. All right. Yeah, I agree with you.
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I will agree with you that you don't notice when you have the think of like,
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you know, what is it?
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Shark Boy and Lava Girl 3D or something
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when they're sticking their hand in your face.
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You know, it's it draws attention to itself.
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It's it's gimmicky and stupid.
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I remember distinctly as a kid seeing Captain Eos at Disney+ World
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and being absolutely like just blown out of my mind.
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Like the asteroid coming at you, you know, you remember that
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the Michael Jackson thing, you know, I never saw that.
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You didn't. It was it was actually really.
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So so that was the first time I think I had seen 3D
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that wasn't the red and blue glasses type 3D.
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It was it was 3D polarized.
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I think it was 3D polarized.
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If I remember, I remember it was I remember just being like,
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this is amazing. We are in the future.
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Like, I literally remember, like, there's a part where the asteroid comes up
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and just kind of like hovers in front of you.
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And I just remember being like and I was young, but I remember being like,
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this is how every movie is going to be made in the future.
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And we're all going to live in the movies.
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Like I was like, this is going to be and nothing happened with it.
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But then I saw I've probably seen since that time.
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I've probably seen honestly sitting in a movie theater seat,
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maybe 20 3D movies. That's all right.
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Yeah. And and one of them was Avatar one.
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And it blew me away because I remember that one.
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You like the ember falling from the burning trees and stuff.
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I just remember being like, this is insane. This is so good.
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And in this movie.
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So those three movies are really the only three that I can sit back and say
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those three were the were great 3D movies.
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I can't even barely remember the other movies I've seen.
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And I know I've seen I know about tickets.
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Yes, I just can't remember.
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I like that. It did. The 3D didn't matter.
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I could have gone and saw it without 3D and then just the same.
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But these these I would or, yes, you know, take it, take it or leave it.
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But after I wanted Avatar two, I would tell you, go see it in a theater in 3D.
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That's the best experience.
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That will absolutely yes.
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Ever. You're not yet because you're not going to get that
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at home watching at home.
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You're not going to get that experience. Not at all.
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So many movies. They're like the Top Gun Maverick.
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I would say, even though I'm not wild about the movie,
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you should still have seen it in the theater because it's just it's a big.
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It's a theater screen experience. Yes.
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So this is this is beyond that with the 3D.
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But yeah, so many movies.
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It just doesn't matter.
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You know, big screens fine, but it doesn't really add to the experience.
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So let me say this.
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There's a quantum many that's coming out.
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This is the new Ant-Man movie.
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It has a 3D version.
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They did the preview for the trailer for the movie for Avatar,
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and they're going to make an IMAX 3D version, I think is what it was.
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I don't think it was just IMAX.
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I think it was IMAX 3D, if I remember right.
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I could be totally wrong.
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But like for that, I wouldn't buy a 3D ticket for that.
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Would you? Because I would.
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Yeah, I would. I would. OK.
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For a very simple reason, the IMAX theater in the theater
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that I go to is right next to the men's restroom, and it makes it very convenient.
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Get to go back in really quick.
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And there's a butter machine that's right there, too.
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So like, it's butter.
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You just kind of stick your hand up under there, grab some butter.
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Easy and easy.
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Yeah, smack it in your mouth after you've got the restroom and head back in.
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Yeah. So but but I wouldn't watch it in 3D.
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I don't know. Like like Quantumania is like, I'll watch it in IMAX probably,
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but not 3D. Like I just don't know.
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Right. If I if I'm given a choice between what is the like the regular Sony 3D
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where it's got a name, I can't remember what it's called.
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Real 3D, I think.
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OK, if I have a choice between that and IMAX, I'm going IMAX because I like IMAX.
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I like a big screen.
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Yeah. And IMAX 3D.
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OK, fine. I don't care.
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And now that I think about it, I think I saw Avatar 1 in IMAX 3D.
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So that's that's probably. Yeah, that's probably the one.
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Yeah, that's probably why I was so wild, too, because of the sound.
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I will say that I think movies are getting loud, dude.
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And maybe I'm just getting old, but I think it's both.
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I think it's both. They are getting loud.
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It is like I we were a couple of previews in and I was just like,
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I looked at my son and my son actually turned to me.
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It was like, it is really loud in here.
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And I was like, I know it is.
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It's just part of the IMAX experience. But.
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OK, so join us next week for podcast number 37,
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where we've got a little bit of that order.
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And like I said, mentioned earlier in the podcast,
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we do is in complete chronological order.
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But we are actually jumping a little bit.
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We're going to finish up this season's
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No. Yeah. 22 season to 22 episode.
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And we decided that we're going to go ahead and do three
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So we're going to do season two, episode 22.
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And then we're also going to jump to season three and start with Episode five
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and six, because it looks like chronologically those guys are actually
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going to be before two and three, which is it sounds really weird.
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We have a we have a list on our on our Web page, 11 parsecs dot com
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because we're trying to go in complete chronological order.
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It should be interesting. It's gonna be neat to have three episodes to discuss and a Tales episode
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I'm hoping that the Tales is just as good as this week's was. I'm really excited about that.
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I may actually go watch that tonight.
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Just because I want to...
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Want to see what that's all about.
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John, thanks for joining me.
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Pleasure as always. Yeah, and that was a good Avatar discussion. I enjoyed it.
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Sorry if you were right to call it out. We need to discuss. Yeah, we did and you can tell we got 20 minutes of discussion out of it.
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Just on a small minute.
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All right. Well until next week stay safe.
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