Episode 2: (40 BBY) Master & Apprentice by Claudia Gray

Okay, I understand.

I understand where you're coming from.

I'm not sure it bothers me as much as it bothers you, but I

clearly doesn't bother you as much.

It doesn't.

I don't, you know, I sometimes it's a story about friendship

betrayal and visions of the future.

It's a story about young Padawans, old Masters, a guy raised

by protocol droids, and a crystal that changes everything.

It's Master and Apprentice by Claudia Gray on this edition

of the 11 Parsecs podcast.

Hello and welcome to the first podcast of the 11 Parsecs podcast.

I mean, do we call this the first official first official first

official?

Okay, so we have like a like a podcast number Zero like a prequel

almost that was like, we hope you've listened to it already.

It is the first one that's on our feed, but we kind of did an

introduction into what we are, what we're doing, our kind of

project that we're documenting via podcast.

And this is our first official podcast.

Today, we're going to be going over Claudia Gray's Master and

Apprentice, which is technically the first chronological piece

of Star Wars media in Star Wars canon.

But since the podcast is kind of came to be, we've had some

some newer older public books announced with Project Luminosity

and some other stuff.

So well, this is the first official podcast when we started

the idea for this podcast.

Claudia Gray's Master and Apprentice was the first thing on

the list at 39 BBY.

We planted our flag and we're going from here.

Exactly.

Yes, that's a great way to say is we're not worried now to be

fair.

None of those books are even out yet.

But anyways, we've planted our flag.

This is the way we're moving forward.

We'll go back, you know, when other stuff comes out, we'll go

back and read and watch movie or watch episodes of whatever

comes out that's earlier, you know, all that good stuff.

But as of today, this is the first official 11 Parsecs podcast.

We're reviewing our first official book, Master and Apprentice.

And John, you know, we talked about it on the the intro podcast,

but what are you drinking tonight?

Tonight I'm having Elysian Space Dust.

Oh, space dust is so good.

Actually, I bought a shirt that is the space dust shirt just

because I liked it so much.

It is that is a good beer.

Really, really good.

I haven't had it in a while.

So this is quite the treat.

Yeah, I'm I'm unfortunately since quarantine packed on a

couple pounds and I've gone back into the kind of the keto

low carb lifestyle.

So I'm but I do have actually a good beer and I'm kind of

amazed. Usually when I do the keto stuff, I usually drink

Setser or something like that or just whiskey, but Lagunitas

has a daytime IPA, which I'm drinking tonight.

It is very, very good.

I've actually had a couple of before.

I hate that they call them IPAs and there's another there's

another couple that are like this like low and slow is another

like low carb IPA.

I like the low carb IPA trend.

It's just that I really don't get an IPA taste from them.

It's a good call them if you don't call them IPA.

I know but but it's like it doesn't taste like a hoppy beer,

you know what I mean?

And it's almost like don't even brand it that way just brand

it as you know, just a low carb beer that you can have.

They're branding it IPA because that's going to make it sell.

I mean, everybody's crazy about IPAs.

Well, general public is crazy about IPAs.

I know I'm just saying though.

It doesn't to me.

They don't taste IPA ish.

They taste more like just a regular old session lager or

something like that.

But still I'm happy that I'm drinking beer on a low carb

diet, which is good.

I like that.

I'm actually going to open it real quick.

Do you hear that?

The podcast has begun.

I'm not going to first off.

I need to talk about as we said in the podcast number Zero,

the prelude podcast, we are not spoiler free.

We are totally talking about every single thing in this book

today. Whenever we get to the movie episodes, whenever we

get to the show episodes, we'll be doing the same thing.

So today we're going to be discussing Claudio Gray's Master

and Apprentice and it is going to be chock full of spoilers.

Just heads up.

If you don't want to listen to this, cut it off.

We totally understand if you don't want to if you do plan

to read the book because it is a great book, but we want

to make sure you understand that we are pretty much going

to tell you that Fanry is a total poser biatch.

And I'm just kidding.

No, I'm just saying we are we are we are.

Make it to the end.

So I didn't know.

I mean, you know, we were only like two minutes into the

podcast though already spoiled the book, but but I'm just

kidding.

I'll probably.

This is a this is a review is not a preview like hey, the

book's out.

Maybe you want to go read it.

No, this is what we're talking about.

I think that's one of the cool things about this podcast

though in this project that we're doing is that we are

not beholden to you know, a brand new movie that just

came out and we don't want to spoil it for everybody

and you know, we want to make sure everybody can you

know, like where you beat around the like like there's

a lot of like Star Wars things that I'll see that are

reviews and the people dance.

They try to get the book, they try to read it,

they try to be the first one on the net talking about it or whatever.

And I really like kind of where we are is that we're not doing that.

We're just pretty much saying, hey, guess what?

We're still doing that.

Nope, we're not doing that at all.

Oh, we should say, though, that

and we mentioned this, you know, in the first episode also.

Go back to that.

And we did mention this in the first episode also.

But we do feel that everybody that is listening

this has a basic understanding of Star Wars via the movies.

And we say that because we just kind of assume

that you have that core competency.

Is that that's the word for competency?

Yeah. And in in the movies themselves and you're going on this journey

with us to learn a little bit more about the more minutiae

and, you know, the inner workings of the canon.

Today is Master Apprentice, Claudia Gray, Del Rey Publishing.

Should we start out saying like just a number like a like a one

through ten on these things or like like what?

How should we I want to get them right?

The book. Yeah.

Read the book.

Literally read the book at the very beginning of these things.

Why not? Yeah, I would on a scale of one to ten.

OK, you are catching me a little bit off guard

because I have not thought about it in those terms.

I would say it's let me say this.

Let me say this.

You're a family member gave you this book and said, read this book.

They don't say anything else.

They don't say like it's a life changing book or anything like that.

And they say, I want you to give me a number one through 100.

What would you give one through 100 now?

One through 100. Yeah.

I would say over one to 497.

Wait, wait, first off.

I want you to give your number of this book

and then also give another piece of media that you would put at 100

just so we got the John scale.

We count that. You're really putting me.

I am.

So I'm out of 100.

This book would be would be a hundred.

This book would be would be way up there.

I was going to say an easy eight on the scale of one to ten,

maybe pushing a nine.

So I'm going to go with a comfortable 85.

OK, OK. And then what?

Even maybe even a little bit higher than that.

What would your hundred be?

Like, like what does it come on?

It's going to have to be perfect.

He's a man. Empire, Empire.

I mean, the boring answer.

Empire Strikes Back.

OK, yeah.

And I wasn't even looking for it had any Star Wars.

I was just looking for what is your perfect story?

Like what is something that you consider just a perfect thing?

You know, a perfect.

Story, I guess, is the word I'm looking for.

Error.

Empire Strikes Back.

All right. So you got Empire.

OK, fair enough.

Empire Strikes Back.

It's Star Wars, damn it.

Yeah, it is. It is Star Wars.

OK, so I am maybe going just a little bit lower than you,

but only because there was a couple of things in here

that I kind of thought were weird.

Not bad, just a little weird.

But I'm going to go an 78.

OK, that's a little on the low side.

Yeah. And just to give you a thing,

I'd put Empire at about 95, 96.

What's wrong with it?

OK, this is this is now a totally different podcast.

That's a different that's a different podcast.

We'll get to Empire at some point in 2027.

But I'm just saying that that's that's that's my scale is is.

Yeah, it's a good book.

It is a good book.

And I'm very happy because whenever we started this project,

if we would have gotten a book that was a good book,

like if we would got a bad book,

I think it really would have been like,

do we want to do this? You know what I mean?

Like we would have been like, oh, really?

Like, I don't know that.

Honestly, I think that would have been a fun journey

because it's always kind of fun to rip on things.

This is actually a pretty good book,

so I can't tear into it really too much.

Well, let's jump into it. Let's jump into it.

OK, so so. Where should we start?

I mean, let's start with some of the newer characters

that you're introduced to in the book.

One of my favorite characters, I think, is Rilab Ross.

He's the he's a Jedi that came to the Jedi Order

a little bit later in his life

and had to adapt a little bit differently,

ended up going under the Master and Apprentice relationship

under Doku and ended up becoming a really good sword fighter.

And I think he's known for that.

He's also known for being a little bit.

What's what's the word I'm looking for?

Orthodox.

Yeah, unorthodox, a little bit easier with the Jedi rules.

No, not like I never saw him as like a Han Solo ask type,

like you got to do like, you know, like a wild card kind of guy.

He was just kind of like, this is the way I'm doing things.

You know, the Jedi Council like me.

There's a word there. I'm struggling to put my finger on it

because saying lax and slack and that's not that's not it.

It's I don't know what the proper word here is.

Relax, because I mean, the guy.

All right. So so the core of the story, and I'm just going to give you a little bit

of the beginning of the story, is that there's a planet

that has a young queen, very similar to Amidala.

She's I think I want to say like.

He goes and becomes her kind of consort, not consort.

That's not the word I'm looking for.

He goes and becomes her.

Henry was her.

Not her consort.

Not her consort. Sorry, that was really bad.

13 years old. Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry.

So he becomes her advisor at a young age.

I think it's like six or seven when she's like super.

She's super young.

And he becomes kind of not only like an advisor, but an ear for the Jedi,

also kind of a protector, you know, of last resort if something were to happen

to her.

And so in this planet now is getting they're going through some bargaining

to so she is now

about to sign some negotiations for what amounts to like a space hallway,

a space, a space highway.

Sorry, that's going to that's going to be remarkably good for the planet,

be remarkably good for the galaxy, be remarkably good for the Jedi, the Order,

everybody, everybody is going to benefit from this thing.

And the Jedi kind of want to see it happen because they know that

outside of this planet, you know, they're going to have, you know, a lot

easier way to transport stuff back and forth.

And then also on her planet, you know, we would now be somewhat of a hub.

So, you know, hopefully that the the planet itself would advance, et cetera,

et cetera.

And rail was sent to this place from he was from Ringo.

And I think was the original planet that he came from.

Went train with the Jedi Chamber Doku, went through multiple wars,

fought with the Jedi.

You know, they trust him.

They just think he's just kind of a little different, I guess,

the best way to say it.

But he goes and kind of becomes her advisor.

And when the book starts,

there's been some terroristic type things happening.

And the Jedi themselves are worried that this contract will not get signed

because people are revolting on the planet themselves.

Rail makes the classic mistake

of becoming emotionally invested in the person that he should be protecting.

And why is that, John?

Because he lost his pad one some years ago, actually, was it?

I forget, was it kind of recent or long in the past?

It was a good deal before.

But if I remember right, the Jedi Council assigned him this

because they thought that he needed to go.

So it was. Yeah, quite a few years ago. All right.

Regrets because it was his choice.

He made a decision on how to handle the the crisis at the time,

which led to her death.

Right. And so he felt terrible about that.

And yeah, and and he when he became the advisor to this,

I think that the Jedi saw it as a way that he can kind of

get back on his feet as a Jedi, that kind of thing.

And then also played into your emotion thing, though, having just lost his pad

one, who was also female.

I think that that lends him to be more of a.

Do you say father type figure?

He never really struck me as a father type figure in the book.

It was more of a I'm a.

No, I would I would say, yeah, very fatherly.

Would you say father?

That's how he viewed himself. Yeah.

I felt like he was like a very strict advisor.

And I think he had been there so long on that planet as her advisor

that he had just kind of learned to live the planet life.

You know what I mean? Yes.

I got a real strong fatherly vibe.

OK, so you did get the fatherly vibe in that relationship.

Absolutely.

So so Fannery is the princess is charged who he's looking after and advising.

And not only is this contract for the space corridor coming up,

but also she will be attaining the crown, but then giving a lot of the

political powers back to the people whenever she gets the crown.

So it's a big it's a big to do.

And in the jet, I want to make sure that everything's going well.

This terroristic organization blows up a couple of spaceships around the planet

and they're worried and rails worried.

I think rail contacts them and says, Hey, I don't know what's going on down here.

You know, I need this whole thing to go through.

We all need this whole thing to go through.

Send me somebody.

And he sends Obi Wan and Qui-Gon.

So they come and jump into this.

I don't want to say it's like a war or anything, but but it's an escalating

conflict that they're very worried is going to take over the signing

and the christening and all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, right when they get there, right, they immediately get involved as in,

you know, as a Star Wars way in a space battle and have to save a bunch of people

doing some really strange religious

pilgrimage or something.

Yeah, it was like it was like a religious right.

Pretty much these big reason for them to be in trouble is what it was.

Let's be clear about this.

And then there's also some other bigger characters.

There's Pax and Rahara, who are two thieves, I guess,

the best way to say jewel thieves that are jumping around

and just happen to land on this planet at this exact time.

Rahara has a background with the Zirka Corp.

And Zirka Corp is I've heard it mentioned before in other Star Wars canon stuff,

but Zirka Corp is pretty much this major, powerful, all wielding corporation

that is pretty much going to also be a benefactor in getting this super highway

running through the planet.

That's kind of the secret, right?

They are going to be the benefactor.

They are behind all of the other super powers that are coming to the planet.

And so they're going to be the ones that are going to be the ones

The agreement that Fannery is to sign would really just benefit them.

The two jewel thieves I mentioned, Pax and Rahara, were slaves to Zerka Corp.

The slavery dynamic in this book is interesting because the Republic has outlawed slavery all over the galaxy,

but certain corporations are still allowed to use slaves in certain instances.

This happens to be one of those instances in which Zerka Corp has slaves on the planet.

They're mining for stuff. Rahara happened to be a former Zerka worker that escaped.

I'm making it sound like Pax and Rahara are part of the whole crew on the planet.

They're not. They're jewel thieves who just happened to come over here because of something that Pax found on a map.

We can get to that, but first, you're talking about the Kolan Crystals, right?

First, we need to, right out of the gate, with this first book and our first podcast,

let's address the issue, the very problematic issue of slavery in the Star Wars universe.

Yeah, it's a very weird thing because you see it in episodes one and two with Anakin's mom,

and then you get this feeling that it's slavery, but it's a little tilted toward indentured servitude, maybe.

Is that the best way that you would say it? But then this book is full-on slavery.

It is. OK, yes, but you remember in Episode one where little Annie says, you know, they blow your head off.

If you if you wander off, they blow your head off your body.

That's a little more than indentured servitude. I take that back.

It's pretty, pretty brutal. And in this one, you're right. It's full on.

You are a literal slave to the one corporation.

Down to having a chip inside your arm. I mean, you are property of this corporation.

Our property. Yes. And they will track you down and reclaim their property point in the future that they can.

Correct. And there's and there's I don't even call it a slavery undertone of this book.

It's a very big part of this book. But again, the Jedi are kind of technically working with a corporation that does this.

So there's this internal battle of not just the Jedi in the story, but the Jedi as a whole of how do we how can we.

How can we continue working with a corporation like this when the slavery is so obvious?

Answer is that you you have to serve. I think I forget who who says where, but you have to serve the greater good.

Basically, we can't take on we can't take on such a fundamental issue and do our jobs.

Yeah. And one of the surprising things in the book to me is that whenever Qui-Gon has these.

Well, whenever he has these visions, which we'll get into a little bit, but he also contacts the Jedi Council and says, hey,

this slavery is full blown slavery. How are we supporting this as Jedi?

And of course, the Jedi Council wants him to finish this governance treaty to get the hyperspace corridor going and all this stuff just because it'll benefit more.

And he goes to Yoda and literally is like, hey, man, we got to stop this.

I mean, we all understand that this is slavery. And even Yoda was kind of like, why should we get to.

And let me read part of the book. So Qui-Gon's gone and said, hey, we need to we need to stop the circle corporate immediately right now.

Slavery is wrong. We all agree that slavery is wrong. Why are we supporting them?

And he says, we not the chancellor, not the Galactic Senate, not even the people of the Republic, but the Jedi.

Yoda thumped his gimmer stick on the floor. Want to rule? Do you? Dangerous.

This is in one who would join the council dangerous in any Jedi.

And it's really weird to hear Yoda say something of that nature.

He also he also had given some examples about other atrocious things that people in the in the universe do know of the planet.

Or do you devour the weakest children? They do. Or what of this?

When the elderly grow too old to regenerate or when the elderly grow too old to regenerate, they beat them to death.

The absent due to to conserve their resources. And it's like it's like he's trying to prove that.

Yeah, I know slavery is wrong. We all know slavery is wrong.

But we kind of got to have it for right now because it benefits more people to have, you know, this hyperspace corridor in this, you know, industry and all this other kind of stuff.

And that was a weird thing to me. And I couldn't tell if it was supposed to show that, you know, even wise Yoda is going to be wrong sometimes.

Or if that's just the way he had to work through politics and you never saw that side of Yoda.

You know what I mean? I think I know exactly what that is. I look at that as the author answering the question.

We the reader, I certainly wanted Qui-Gon to say, what are we doing here?

Why are we supporting slavery?

And so that's the reader confronting the author and the author is basically

saying there are bigger concerns, wider concerns.

And if we just stop and deal with the issue of slavery, that's all the

book's going to be about.

I see what you're saying.

So it was more of a muse or like a progression of story type thing.

It's perfectly valid.

I'm not discounting it.

I think it's actually very well done.

That's one of the reasons why I think this book is very well written.

The author is able to answer the reader's concern at a good point

with an answer that makes sense.

You know, there's only so much you can do.

Yeah, and one that's pivotal to the story because it plays into what

happens next and with Qui-Gon and how it.

Right.

It totally fits into the tapestry of the story.

So it's it is well done.

Good.

Good job.

All right.

Yeah, fair enough.

Fair enough.

It is.

Outside of that.

Yeah.

I'd have that outside of that.

I think that we still have to talk about the issue of slavery because

correct me if I'm wrong in the original trilogy.

Is there any any mention of this if slavery existing or is it just that

we remember in Episode one is totally a thing.

And so now we just associate the Star Wars universe with well, yeah,

they got slaves.

Yeah, that's a good question.

I like I'm trying to think back and again, this podcast is for people

who have seen the movies and enjoy the movies, but not to it.

It can, you know, it may be part of the larger Star Wars universe

a lot more than we realize.

I was a hothead slaves.

Yeah, true.

I had slaves.

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

I didn't think about that.

Yeah, he did.

Yeah.

So I guess there is there has been slavery even in the original movies, too.

So I mean, yeah, yeah.

It's a thing.

Okay, it's is it.

Remember, I had it.

It's a thing.

Yeah, I think it's a thing, too.

I think it's part of the universe.

And okay, so also, let's go back.

So we also need to talk about the fact.

Okay, Kenobi is 17 years old in this.

Okay.

So speaking of people who are wise, who you start to see kind of some

faults going on with Yoda being the one that I just mentioned, but

so Kenobi 17, he's young.

So the master-apprentice dynamic applies all throughout this book

multiple times.

You've got Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon Jinn, Qui-Gon Jinn and Doku because Qui-Gon

Jinn was the Padawan to Doku.

Rael Averroes, who was another Padawan to Doku.

So they both were taught under Doku.

Yoda and Doku because Doku was the Padawan for Yoda.

Was Yoda's Padawan?

Maybe I should say.

And you get this really weird master-apprentice vibe, but you see

inside the book how everyone is just so different in the way that

they either teach or in the way that they learn or in the way that

they're groomed, I guess is maybe the best way to say it.

It's a very weird part.

Like so, so let's go back and make sure we understand.

So Rael Averroes is kind of the kind of the

I hate using the word bad-wares because he's not.

He's a good Jedi.

He's doing a good job.

It's just that he's a little bit different than most Jedi that you

think of. Qui-Gon Jinn inside this book, you really start to see

because even in the first, you know, watching Episode 1, you see

his amazement around the prophecies with Anakin, you know,

finding Anakin and all that kind of stuff.

And then you know that he's kind of this prophecy kind of guy.

But in this book, you really learn like he is way into it and

almost to the point that it's a fault for him with other Jedi.

Like other Jedi, they trust him, but it's also like, why is the

Jedi so against studying the prophecies?

Maybe that's the best way to ask the question.

It is a very curious question.

You have a big split in apparently in the Jedi Order between the

Jedi who believe in the prophecies and the Jedi who, I guess how

to phrase that.

They don't disbelieve them.

They think that it's kind of a weird thing to look at.

And the future.

Like a 95-5 split, though.

Like it's like everybody was taught.

Don't worry about the prophecies.

Yeah, they're there.

But don't worry about them.

You know what I mean?

Don't worry about it.

And then Doku, who is way into the prophecies, like way into the

prophecies.

And then when Rael becomes his Padawan, I think Rael is just

kind of like, I don't really care.

You know, it's not that I don't believe you or whatever, you know,

just yeah, I don't really care about them.

I'm not going to study them.

And then, you know, and then Qui-Gon is a complete opposite.

He's dives right into him and starts saying too much to where

Doku even is like, dude, you got to stop, you know, like you can't

get too far into this because there's, you know, some really bad

things you're going to find in here and really powerful things

that you're going to find in here that may make you, you know,

bend the other way.

So, you know, it's like this really weird thing that the Jedi

Council just doesn't want to acknowledge them.

And, you know, they eventually lead to, you know, some pretty

dark stuff coming, but in the movies, but it's just kind of like

oh, it's a weird thing for them to be so standoffish about them.

Maybe that's the best way to say it.

And again, I think to me, it was the author looked at episode

one where Qui-Gon believes in the prophecy and she felt the need.

It was a good instinct to flesh that out, to color in his background.

The reason he is chasing the prophecy is he believes in the prophecies.

He had a master who also believed in prophecies.

That's just kind of paint by numbers in a way.

That's diminishing it. I don't mean to.

It's tying threads together.

I like your giving background. I think that's a good way to look at it.

It's fleshing him out more.

One of the things that strikes me as weird though,

and it's not anything with the writing of the book,

but there's the point where Qui-Gon Jinn in the book starts having visions.

He starts having visions of something that could catastrophically happen

during the ceremony and the Governance Tree signing and all this other stuff.

He makes his visions known and he feels that they're completely different than dreams.

He's like, this is something that's going to happen.

Something is telling me, The Force is telling me in this specific way

that something's going to happen. I need to prepare for it.

Then he goes to talk to the Jedi Council.

The Jedi Council does this weird 180 to where they're like,

don't worry about the prophecies, don't worry about the prophecies,

don't worry about the prophecies. Oh, you had a vision?

Wait a second, maybe we need to investigate this a little bit.

You know what I mean? It was a weird plot point to me.

How did you feel?

Honestly, that was kind of like a not even a speed bump.

It didn't really make much of an impression on me.

Really? Yeah, I just felt like they think that he's kind of like crazy for the prophetical stuff.

And then suddenly they're like, oh, you had a vision, though?

Well, let's talk about this vision or at least Yoda.

If they reacted differently, like you had a vision, so what?

That's contrary to, I think, a lot of people's understanding of the Jedi.

It's like, wait, you're mystical sword fighter guys. You're not going to take that seriously.

Yeah, agreed. No, no, I agree.

It's just it was a very weird way for them to.

To discount the prophecy, I felt like they discounted the prophecies a lot up until the point that he had a vision.

And then they're like, oh, well, this could be a prophecy.

You know, I mean, like you'd be really good.

And it's just kind of I don't know, it felt weird to me.

So so how did you feel about the dynamic between Obi Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn?

I thought you'd never ask.

OK, so we're just talking about how I felt like the author was was blurring in the backstory.

So this definitely in fact, I've got a page for you on page 290.

This again, to me, was the author explaining herself, explaining the book.

And it's the paragraph right in the middle where it says Obi Wan felt queasy.

Padawans weren't supposed to be more objective than their masters.

Their masters were meant to guide them to always be the stronger, surer ones.

This dynamic had been reversed.

OK, right there. And we see that in Episode one again.

Many people have commented on that, that the dynamic there was completely backwards.

She used that that dynamic in this book and tried to explain it.

And it makes sense, you know, the way she explained it, that he that Obi Wan was rebellious.

And so they assigned him to a basically rebellious master so that he would rebel against rebellion and become a an upstanding, straight laced Padawan.

Believe that or not, that that's the explanation.

And then you layer in Anakin on top of that and it's just like, well, damn, you know, it's like,

well, this is what the misfits line up.

It's just like one of those kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah.

But, you know, it was it was interesting at times.

I don't want to say that I felt like Obi Wan questioned a lot, but I think he's questioning a lot just because he's just now starting out, you know, as a Padawan.

So like I liked it and I liked how sometimes he was very self-assured about himself.

But other times I was just kind of like.

Dude, this is your master. You got it. You got to kind of like bend a little bit.

You know what I mean? Like, like you can't hate the guy, you know, I felt like I should say hate.

Hate's a strong word for him and his relationship with anger.

Yeah. You just felt angry all the time. And it's just like, dude, get your get your teenagers out, you know, like dress golf for a while or something and be cool.

But, you know, it was a memory. How old he is.

That does start. It was getting a lawyer. It's like, what's your problem?

He told you to go do the thing. Just go do the thing.

I mean, like you say, you're your master. Yeah, just go do it.

Yeah. Who do you think you are?

Anyway, at the same time, he was trying to be a good pad.

One, he was trying to be the kind of person he was trying to be a good Jedi.

He was trying to go straight, straight path.

Like he was trying to follow the rules. Yes.

But quite like that's a better way to say it.

Yeah. But quite a bit quite gone quite gone, grew up around Doku and kind of rebelling a little bit against the rules.

So, I mean, so his take on the way he should do stuff was a little bit different.

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a Jedi.

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a Jedi.

And it's the clothing inside that is elaborate and bejeweled and what have you.

First of all, that was very neat.

I thought that was a really neat idea.

And it's hinting to there's more than meets the eye.

So after the fact, it was an aha moment.

I see what you were trying to tell me.

But beforehand, no, I did not see that.

She does a very good job too of setting up the peripheral characters around Fanry to

where you could expect any of them to, you know, be knives out and do the deed.

You really you really sit there and you're like, OK, which one is it?

You know, like and there's different, you know, Captain Duran.

There's just different different people that you're just kind of like, OK, this is the

person that's going to do it.

And then when it's her, you're just kind of like, OK, you know, it's surprising.

I think that it was weird that she had such command of a huge spaceship after rail, not

knowing anything about it.

Like you understood that rail was blindsided because of he could never see bad in her because

of his Padawan, the way he viewed her as like a kind of a surrogate for the Padawan.

But even Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn didn't have anything, any feeling about it beforehand.

Right, besides the vision, yes.

Yeah, yeah.

Other than the vision itself, it's just kind of like a well, even then, though, he didn't

know it was Fanry from the vision.

He just knew that it was something was going to happen.

Right.

It was a lot of blood.

Vague as visions always are.

Yeah, I know.

But visions really could just say, that's the bad guy.

And it would be so much more clear cut.

But it'd be a lot easier.

Yeah.

Visions.

Don't visions ever do that?

I don't know why.

We know when The Ghost appears to you, they just don't tell you the truth.

It's yeah, Vader's your father, you know, you know, deal with it.

But yeah.

We're going from, OK, now I am no longer going to be princess.

You know, I'm going to be straight up queen.

I'm going to have my own battleship fleet.

You know, we're ready to do this.

And then suddenly she's on this huge ship.

You know, running the ship pretty much, it was just a weird transition to me a little

bit.

Oh, you could say that it actually was a weird transition to characters themselves, because

that's how it ends.

Right.

Yeah.

But he beside her says, what you want to do?

What I don't think so.

You're out of power.

Yeah.

I mean, that actually, you know, that that that might might be complimenting the book

in a way that even you did not understand.

Maybe so.

Yeah, I'm not I'm not arguing against that.

It was just like a.

So even even to begin with, you always thought that Katie, that was the name of the servant

one that Katie that then she that she was going to be a bad.

She was she was one of those peripheral characters.

So I was just like, oh, yeah, you got to keep an eye on her.

You know what I mean?

Like, she's going to be one that kind of stacks up.

And then when Henry, you know, gets out of everything and she's like, hey, no, we're

running the show now, we're doing this whole thing my way.

Katie's there beside her.

And then I think it was Katie at the very end, you know, who's just like, nope, it's

not the way we're working with this, you know?

We haven't talked about Pax and her all that much.

They felt like side characters to me.

They're both interesting, but also so Pax was like a he was a human, but he grew up

on a ship full of C3 droids, which we're going to have to talk about that.

OK, yeah.

So he has this like non empathetic kind of way about him that that he doesn't really

understand human emotion all that well because he grew up with robots, which is a neat way

to a neat way to have a character and introduce a character, in my opinion.

It's a neat way to have a character, but it suffers from what I'm going to call the tangled

problem, which is if you're a girl brought up from a baby all alone in a tower.

Oh, OK.

You're going to come out as a psychotic, broken sociopathic.

There's no way a normal, charming Disney+ princess comes out of such a childhood.

I'm sorry, that's just not going to happen.

And likewise, a person being brought up by the neurotic, lovable characters of Disney+

C-3PO was a Jedi.

It's a common author's trick in my opinion.

And I'm just joking a little bit.

When you assign a background like that to someone you don't fully appreciate, you probably ruined that guy's entire life.

But we're just going to use it as a little bit of food coloring to give him some color.

I did have to say that whenever I was reading the part about his upbringing that the food coloring was even more blander.

I think because each of the C-3PO droids had like one letter change between all of them.

Did you notice that whenever you're reading? I'll have to find a piece of the book.

But basically like there's like a C-3P-D and a C-3P-E and an F.

And I'm like, you know, there had to be more than...

Aren't they supposed to be part of a series? I mean, come on, you're going to name...

What does this ship do if it's got more than 26 C-3 droids?

Like, are we... You see what I'm saying?

It was just kind of like, okay, that's a weird way to name your droid.

Yeah, I don't know. It was weird.

And yeah, okay, so this little...

Jump ahead.

This little boy in the middle of nowhere on a desert planet builds one of these machines.

It's basically useless to his mother.

His slave mother, he builds a useless thing.

He names it exactly the same way as apparently all other such droids are in a galaxy.

Okay. Yeah. Eight years later, only eight years later.

Or he probably started working on him before the movie, before the actual Phantom Menace.

You know, so he was probably working on him for... I think he says it in the movie, if I remember right.

He's like, yeah, this is my C-3D. I've been working on it for two years or something like that.

But still, yeah, it was odd. It was an odd thing.

I, you know, it limits itself to the way that Pax handles himself in the book, which was pretty good.

And of course, Rahara's got the background of the slavery, escaping the slavery, the hate for this Zerkacorp.

She was a good character, too.

I don't think that they were just kind of like sitting on the sidelines most of the time.

They just happened to be in the right spots at the right time, which, you know, carried the story on.

But, you know, they could have been fleshed out a little bit more.

Do you agree with that?

I do. At the same time, I'm aware and I acknowledge that she fits the damaged girl trope.

Agreed.

Which is why she's there in the first place.

Someone would have to have a reason to be in that situation.

So it's hers. We learned that, yeah, she's a slave. She broke out.

Was. Yeah. Was a slave.

Was a slave. Yeah, she was a slave.

And she broke out. And actually, I don't remember. Do you remember how she how she got away?

I don't. I remember talking about how she removed her chip and digging it out.

Yeah. Horrible thing. But other than that, I don't remember how she were.

So let's talk about let's talk about the fool's gold part of the book.

And I shouldn't call it fool's gold because you want to give us maybe a little bit of background on Colin.

A background on it, I can tell you that from the book, from the book, I mean.

Yeah, it's it's pretty much a universe shattering substance that would really, if you stopped and thought about it, change everything we know about Star Wars.

So that's about right. So so basically, Pax and Rihara end up going to this planet in search of Kyber crystals because they feel like the planet,

based on some mathematical modeling or something that Pax did in his head at the very beginning of the book,

they felt like this planet would be a huge place that they could buy Kyber crystals, of course, the material that that Jedi make their lightsabers from, et cetera, et cetera.

And then maybe sell that on either the black market or sell it back to the Jedi.

They just they just figured that if they found a bunch of Kyber crystal, they could make some money.

So basically, that's the reason that they're coming to this planet.

Well, they found something, I guess, with kind of the same signature for scanners, because they were all impressed about being able to find this huge thing of Kyber.

But it ends up being something called colon. And I'm eager to know if this is the first time that's been used in Star Wars or not,

because it felt like it was introducing like a new idea. But again, I don't know.

Yeah. Other than the movies, I don't know that much about it. But the colon was like a fool's gold.

It was like it was like a like a Kyber's fool gold is that you couldn't use it inside anything that they knew of.

And it wasn't really it looked a lot like Kyber, but it wasn't and it didn't sell for anything.

So basically, they find these people that have built these weapons in the book that defend against lightsabers.

And apart from that, they're like, Oh, I didn't know that. And I'm like, Oh, I didn't know that. And they're like, Oh, I didn't know that.

On further research and all this other stuff, and there are a whole kind of edge army in the book.

They figure out that what they're doing is actually using the colon

against the lightsabers.

And I think that's exactly where you're going with, like, what the hell?

This happened eight years before Phantom Menace, and we're just not hearing about it.

Like, that's a big shock in the book.

When when something stops the lightsaber, this thing, which established in Episode

one, can basically cut through everything.

Yeah, it can cut through anything and everything.

And here is this thing that it just bounces off of like a like a stupid stick.

And I would argue that that is a world changing

invention because I don't think it's been mentioned anywhere else.

I got the impression I can't speak definitively,

but I got the strong impression from the book that this was an introduction.

You know, hey, there's this colon thing

because I have to have something that brings these two characters into the story.

And it's also going to work to at the end

so that Qui-Gon's vision comes true.

And yet there's a there's a way out of it.

You know, that kind of thing.

Like reading in the book, I thought, oh, OK, yeah, that's like a, you know,

a neat like kind of like thing for this book or what have you.

But I never thought of it as like an earth shattering or universe

shattering type thing in Star Wars, though.

I mean, yeah, it does kind of make more sense

because at the point in this book, somebody's already weaponized it.

You know, it's already being used.

And honestly, one thing we should talk about, too, is on Master Apprentice,

the normal paperback and hardback book jacket or not book jacket,

but the actual like cover is really cool, really cool picture.

I'm a big fan of it.

But go look out.

They have a like a I think it was like a Master and Apprentice,

like a special edition or something like that.

And we'll post this on the Discord server and in the show notes.

This cover was amazing.

But in that cover, you can actually see the shields and stuff

that we're talking about are made of this colon, right?

Because those are the ones that were blocking them whenever they were fighting

on the moon.

I think it was the moon of the planet.

And yeah, and then at the end and the end of the end,

yeah, in the big room order, what I want to do.

So, yeah, now that you mention it, that is a pretty good thing.

Yeah. Like, why is this not used more outside of just this planet?

Because apparently right right up to the events of this,

no one knew that this jewel had this kind of property.

I think it may have been kind of hinted at. No one cared.

But again, Episode two establishes that the Jedi are all over the place.

I mean, the Jedi are not really that rare,

at least to the characters in the story that we're dealing with.

So if the Jedi are everywhere and they're known as basically

the supernatural police force,

something like colon crystals would be a highly and they do

do mention this in the book would be highly, highly valuable.

Now, it's supposed to be, quote unquote, worthless, because unless I'm mistaken,

it doesn't stop the things that a normal shield would stop like blaster fire.

Is that correct? Right. Yeah, that's well, it's never explicitly said,

but that's what I thought was that it's specifically for lightsabers,

specifically for the properties of the colon, like balance the lightsaber,

like like Kyber. So I don't know, maybe you could do them up.

And so you'd have a shield that would block lightsabers.

Apparently, you know, a your number one enemy,

if you're trying to be a bad guy, you're the Jedi lightsaber.

And then you'd have a regular shield to block blasters and all that stuff.

This is not complicated, right? You could totally have both.

And for that matter, the Jedi could have dual wielding

where one's Kyber, one's colon, just in case that that gets to

and not specifically her fault.

OK, it's really tough being an author.

And when you're an author and you introduce a new story element,

it's really, really easy to not realize

what you've just done has broad implications.

So so and I'm not an expert on this or anything, but I do.

I'm pretty sure that I've heard other people on Twitter talk about

how there is a council like at, I guess, Disney+, Star Wars, Luke's film

that the authors all run the show.

And this like the more you talk about, like the more I'm thinking of ways to you.

I'm like, yeah, you're kind of right.

Like, like, like this kind of had to, in my opinion,

probably went up the chain at Disney+, you know, and was like, yeah,

you can include that. That's fine. It does that.

So it's kind of like a whoa.

So somebody knows about this and we haven't seen it in any other

that I'm aware of any of the movies.

I don't know. Maybe once we get into the TV shows,

maybe it's talked about or use a little more.

There's like a ever never.

I never saw that.

I've never seen that.

And there could be and that would that would be a satisfying answer.

Never underestimate the power of even a small group of people,

fans, semi fans, just people with active imaginations

to come up with crazy uses for things that you thought were very straightforward.

Yeah. Now that you mentioned it, it does seem a little bit powerful.

It's going to be interesting.

Yeah. I mean, I think it's going to be interesting to see

what the audience is going to think about it.

I mean, I think it's going to be interesting to see

If I if there was anything else that I caught on to and it back

back to our original conversation about the afterward, though,

I thought it was I thought it was well done.

I thought it showed the whole book shows a different side of Obi-Wan

and Qui-Gon Jinn's relationship.

And then you see at the you know, at the end, it's not closure,

but but it's like a it's like a he understands as he gets older

that stuff, you know, like that you have to adapt to situations

and stuff like that.

And he certainly did, you know, at the time that the funeral for Qui-Gon

Jinn's happening, but it wasn't bad.

It was pretty good.

I don't really look at that as a fan service callback.

Do you really do afterward?

Yeah. Oh, no, no, no.

Overall, overall, no.

Because it fits in with the story that she was trying to convey.

So there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

And it does.

It's a nice little

honestly, it's like the Marvel scenes, the mid credit and end credit scenes.

Agreed. Agreed.

Yeah. Like a little teaser kind of thing, not a teaser, but like a like a

here's some extra stuff that some extra stuff that kind of fills out

a little bit of a dark corner you didn't really know about. Yeah.

Or expands a scene that maybe you only saw the beginning of.

That's perfectly fine.

But so so in a way, yeah, I was wrong to jump off on the that's fan service,

because I don't really mean that.

But what did bug me was earlier in the book.

And I'll try to go up back and look up some of those other examples.

But obviously, the Naboo one really, really stuck out on me.

Yeah, the Naboo.

I remember the Naboo one.

And you know, you didn't remind me of it like you reminded me of it.

But you didn't explicitly say that one like that's that's the one

that I thought of in my head.

And I can't think of any other ones right now either.

We'll go find them for you.

They will ignore you.

And just a note to the readers, we're actually reading physical books for this.

We've we've purchased paperbacks and we're really glad.

When we say like page 277, it's probably not the same if you're reading it

on e-book, but also to to our

terrible luck, we also have to find stuff in a physical book.

If I could have controlled this by now.

I know that's the bad part is that we could just pull this thing up on Kindle

and be like, control the Naboo and see like, you know, but yeah.

So we're exercising brain muscles that I've not had to exercise for a while.

Basically, what?

Yeah, basically, as I read, I take notes on little bitty index cards.

Now I'm just going to start sticking the index cards and have 50,000 bookmarks

in the book.

It's a good idea. I like that.

Yeah. To make sure I keep all these.

Steal that idea and claim it as my own.

I have one last question before we go.

Does this does this story make you think that Doku

is a more interesting character or less interesting character?

Slightly more interesting, but again,

how does you can't say this is fan service?

It is it is a bit of background.

And when he's in

confronting the or kills or not kills, but it confronts the

assassin person that's about to kill.

Ray, is that real?

He's trying to kill real.

I think it was real. Yeah, I think it was real.

And comes in with the lightning, you know, The Force lightning.

And there's a hint of it before that, too, I think.

At the first hint of it was did seem to be

like kind of a fan service, you think.

But then when he uses it directly to save his his Padawan,

that made perfect sense.

I'm not going to call that fan service, but it clearly is

backgrounding that he he turns to the dark side.

You know, he is turning to the dark side. Yeah. Agreed.

And I think that I was going to say the answer to my question

is that it makes me a lot more interested in him because you see him as a Jedi

and you see him toying with different parts of the prophecy.

And the interesting thing to me was whenever

Qui-Gon was researching the Holocron or a Holocron or something.

And and even at the point which you probably think that

Doku has already kind of started to turn against the Jedi,

he goes to Qui-Gon, though, is like, don't read this anymore.

Like, like you got to stop.

You can't get into this too far because, you know, to him, he's probably thinking

you may end up like me where I'm about to jump, jump ship and, you know,

become an evil awesomeness.

But he is still seeing good in Qui-Gon Jinn.

He's like, just don't get too far into it.

As in, like, you can turn, you know, kind of Brad bad later on.

Kind of Brad could turn into Brad.

Brad's a terrible guy. Don't turn into Brad. Whatever you do.

Whatever you do, don't turn into Brad.

But if you want to keep reading this prophecy, go for it.

But yeah, so so it was it was an interesting thing to me

because it felt like Doku knew he was going to be kind of turning

and leaving the Jedi and becoming, you know, this this enemy,

you know, of the state.

But yet he also sees it Qui-Gon Jinn is still like kind of a good guy.

It is like, just don't follow my path.

You know what I mean?

Like it was kind of a neat moment for me.

I like I like Doku.

I think Doku is a really interesting character.

I think the book definitely made him more.

I didn't see it quite the same way.

I thought he was saying, I'm going I'm going to

because this seems to be a theme, right?

I'm going to explore the dark side just a little bit and I will be fine.

But you you stay back because you can't handle it.

I can handle it.

No, because I think that he.

After having Rael as a Padawan, I think he sees Qui-Gon Jinn as like, this kid gets it.

Like not not like like Rael was like the big bad

hulky fighter guy that just he was he was an awesome on the battlefield

and he was a commander, you know, except for the Padawan thing.

But but other than that, he was like this kind of fighter guy

that didn't care much about prophecy or learning or education or anything like that.

Whereas I think he sees

Qui-Gon is like this really learned kid that's really into studying

that really wants to know this kind of stuff.

And I took I took that as as a as a don't go down the path that I did.

You know, like I've studied this, but it's leading me to darker places.

I don't want you to go down. That's what that's what I took from it.

It's funny.

You know, it's funny that you took a completely different take on it,

but only in the sense that you think at the time he was thinking,

don't follow me, I'm going to be a bad guy that that I thought it was.

I'm going to research this because I can handle it.

I'm still good in my head.

But but you can't handle it. You stay back.

You know, at that moment, he was he was committed.

I'm a bad guy. Yeah, I'm a bad guy.

But you don't be a bad guy.

I don't know. See, I think I think that the book leads you

or at least led me to believe that Doku was always kind of contemplating

leaving the Jedi like he was, because even after even after he's left in this book

and they talk about it, how rail and Qui-Gon Jinn are like, yeah, nobody's heard

from him for the last five or ten years, you know, which turns out to be different.

But it was like he had already left the Jedi

Order like I think like I think I want to say it was five years before this book.

Not disputing that he was.

But what I'm saying is that thinking about the math, I mean, that means

that like 15 years ago, if he's looking at these holocrons.

I mean, I don't know.

I guess I got to look at the age of Qui-Gon.

Maybe you didn't mean to portray it this way, but you portrayed it as he

consciously said, I'm going to be evil.

And I just don't think that I didn't get it.

Yeah, and maybe maybe people do that.

They're not saying, yeah, I'm going to be evil now.

I'm going to be evil now. Maybe not. Maybe not.

Evil is the right word, but I'm going to leave the Jedi Order.

Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

I do not disagree with that.

But but it was I think is more of the more the case.

And I've already said this a couple of times now, so I'm retreading.

But but, you know, I'm going to explore this.

I will be OK.

I'm I'm not turning evil.

I'm just just checking things out.

But you you stay back. You can't handle it.

That that's the sense the take I got from from those scenes.

Yeah, it's interesting because, yeah, mine was different.

Mine was mine was definitely like he's known for a while he was leaving.

And this was him kind of like getting kind of quite gone.

To not follow the same path, but yet he was already all in this.

He's already up in the business.

You mentioned rail and his Padawan, so there is something

I forgot to mention earlier, and that is another world changing technology.

The slicer. The slicer dart. Yeah.

That's a huge mistake. There's no way around that one.

You can say, well, they talk about how they were outlawed,

but that really doesn't matter much.

But I'm just saying no one will do it now.

And I go, but what I'm saying is that they they they in the book,

they talk about or in my opinion, unreliable.

They well, yeah, that's yeah.

They don't. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's that's where I was kind of like they they understood

how impactful that could be.

And the author did a good job of kind of not negating it,

but also saying like there's problems with it also.

Whereas Colin, like I really like thinking about this more and more

as we're recording the podcast.

I'm like, damn, you could have like cold tanks and you know, it's just like.

So yeah, like the Jedi are hosed like like what do you do?

Like, yeah, it's going to be interesting.

And it's an interesting I'm interested to see if it pops up anymore.

Sure, that will be interesting to see.

But what you're saying, though, is, you know, basically the author says,

hey, here's a nuclear bomb, but it's a really, really small nuclear bomb.

It can only go off over here.

I mean, that's fine, but it has really big implications.

And you I don't know.

I don't want to say I don't want to call the author lazy.

I really don't.

But it seems like you had a place you wanted to get.

And that is dead Padawan.

And how do we do that in a way that he will feel totally guilty?

And that's how you did it, by by turning her into a cyber zombie,

basically, right, or a robot.

And that that was a that was really introducing a very powerful tool

and then immediately saying, well, you know, OK, don't worry about it.

You know, it did its job. It's done.

And you don't see anymore.

I'm trying to remember, what is it that the the other assassin in Episode two shoots?

Remember the the polymorphic assassin Zool?

I think her name started with a Z.

It's a female, but like it's a polymorphic assassin.

And she has this huge rifle and she gets in like the space car

and she shoots it. What is?

Oh, right.

The yeah, the big, long rifle.

I wonder if she's shooting something similar to that

or if that has played a part in other stories that I know.

I don't know.

And it's interesting.

I'm afraid to do more research on it because I don't want to ruin anything coming up.

You know, that's kind of thing. I yeah, I'm actually making a point not to

Google things like that because I want to keep the sort of the fresh perspective here

But even if that is what she shoots in in episode 2, it's never said, you know, and so it doesn't matter

So with that we'll wrap up the first episode of Love and Parsecs podcast

I talk about Master and Apprentice. We've got some books in queue ahead of us

I think the next episode that we're gonna do we're gonna be discussing the Age of Republic comic special the weapon

which is just one small story out of that Age of Republic special and

Then the Age of Republic Qui-Gon Jinn

which kind of plays into where we're at where with Qui-Gon Jinn and that kind of early Qui-Gon Jinn and

Obi-Wan looks like that's kind of in Padme

Butting up to The Phantom Menace which happened at 32 BBY

So we'll be watching The Phantom Menace before our next book, which is Queen's Shadow. So Queen's peril

Okay, so let's go back through the timeline real quick 39 BBY

Before the Battle of the Avedon is when this book happened 39 BBY

So that was Master and Apprentice. The next two comics that we're gonna be reading are 33 BBY

So they'll be six years after this book and then there is a book that just came out Queen's Peril

Which is 32 BBY

That being said though. I think that wasn't on our original list that we had staked out of the chronological order

So we're gonna skip that one and go on to some more comics and then we get Phantom The Phantom Menace

Which we'll do a whole podcast on The Phantom Menace

We are our next book that we are reading though is Queen's Shadow which happens at 28 BBY

Which is 11 years after this book that we just went

Talking about Padme and I'm already I think I'm like 25 30 percent and through the book and I'm liking that book too

It's pretty good book. How far are you into it?

Two pages two pages. Okay, so so no opinion yet from John

But pages are great. The two pages are amazing. So that being said we've got a bunch of comics coming up

We're gonna move Queen's peril back until we get done with some other stuff

Like I said, we put our stick in the ground with our list and Queen's peril was not out at that time

So we may revisit it at some point as maybe as a special to show or something, but it's not on the list today

So Queen's Shadow is gonna be our next book that we're reading and then we've got The Phantom Menace coming up

Which will be our first movie which is gonna be good because I watched it

The last time I watched it was probably two or three years ago

So I'm eager to I'm eager to watch it with a critical eye again

And I think it'll be good and I'm eager for you to get into some comics too. So

This will be good. It'll be brand new for me. Yes. Yeah, you know you've never been a comic reader

Have you you've read some graphic novels?

I'll let you some graphic when I was a kid maybe a little bit but never a hardcore never a collector

Archie never had a sky sword

That Veronica imagining like like eating like popcorn like reading like the you know, like the

What's the name of that? They made like a whole like Riverdale. They made like a whole TV show. It's like a weird dark

Weird dark. You're joking

Archie and Jughead. Yeah, so so wasn't there their school was called Riverdale, right? I just recently

Saw that that's what that was. I was wondering what that show was about and it's a dark

Is it like a dark take on like yeah anyways, okay

Yeah, what are I we don't we don't watch it

We don't we don't have the time to discuss other other shows right now underbelly of family circus

But what was the last movie you watched and would you say it was good?

Would you recommend it to somebody before we go last movie that I was the last movie watch last movie

I watched was on Netflix. I'm sure you've heard of an extraction right with

Thor Thor

We both call him Thor. Yes, that's who he is now. But anyway, no, I

Waited a while. I knew it came out. Everybody's talking about it

Finally got on watching it and I honestly was really impressed. There's an action scene

Somewhere in the middle of the movie that goes on and on and on in a good way on and on and on

It's I don't want to know how they filmed it because it's simply amazing

The continuity what they're able to do nowadays with with some of the tracking shots

fantastic

Interesting interesting it's on my cue I haven't watched it yet. I heard it was very good

Also, I've heard a lot of people rave about it, especially how it was a very violent movie but yet funny, too

Like I guess he's I don't I'll go with your I'll go with your thing

What was well, what was what was your last movie over the weekend?

I had I watched a movie with two Star Wars tie-ins that one of them

I didn't even realize until after the movie I watched knives out Ryan Johnson, of course episode 8 director and

It was an amazing movie a very very very good movie like probably one of the best I've seen in a while

But I did not realize and there's no spoilers. I'm not giving any spoilers here

This is the only non-spoiler part of the movie

But there is a scene with a lawyer in the movie and it's Frank Oz and I did not know that he

Number one acted like in front of the camera and then number two did such a good job

Like he is a really good actor. I've never seen it. I don't think he's maybe he's not even been in any other movies besides like Yoda and the Puppeteer

And something else and I can't put my finger on it

That's kind of the same sort of role where it's not a cameo it's a very small part

It's a very yeah, thank you what movie it is, but man is gonna bug

Yeah, we'll have to look that up. We can we can let everybody know in the next episode

Again, just trying to give everybody a barometer on what we

What are the no no, what are the two Star Wars?

attachments or connections

Ryan Johnson

One yeah, I got done. Yes, and then Frank Oz

Frank

Okay

Yoda I

Understand that yeah, I'm just saying there's the two is looking for something else. I had this fine. Okay?

Okay, you thought that was too light of a of a connected honestly. Yes, I thought that

It's perfectly valid I don't know why I didn't think that yeah, but yes, that's clearly a connection I stand corrected. Thank you very much

And with that we will in this episode

Of the 11 parts like podcast appreciate you listen. I hope we entertain you and

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